anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

[AndyH]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

I dont think that it was excessive that he was removed coz he wasnt having a balanced debate, he was ranting. Even if Kerry was saying he wants to answer the question its not the way to do things in that environment.

However, the tazer was totally unecessary imo.

V funny though..

[Homskillet]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

Update... looks like you guys aren't the only ones who thought it was excessive.

At least they're on leave, with pay...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html

[Miroslav]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

ok, some new info here about the guy (Andrew Meyer) for you to consider.

1. Here's some info about the guy...note the story he wrote about hecking Ken Griffey, Jr. at a baseball game...sound familiar?

http://www.freewebs.com/newforum/bioandpersonalstories.htm

2. Supposedly, a lot more occurred BEFORE the video you saw. It's reported by eyewitnesses that Mr. Meyer rudely "hijacked" the forum by sneaking his way to a mic after the last question had already been announced (something about Israel). Meyer interrupted the question and started yelling at Kerry that he needed to stay and answer all of his questions, that it's not fair, etc. Cops are all over him ready to take him out, but Kerry insists they let him stay and says he will humor him. Kerry answers the other guy's question and then turns to Meyer. THIS is supposedly where the first video starts.

Additional Info

http://www.thebizofknowledge.com/2007/09/eyewitness_account_of_ufs_andr.html

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/17/student-tasered-at-john-kerry-forum/

http://www.neoconnews.com/2007/09/18/tasered-mess-a-complete-dissection-so-far/

Now, I don't really know if this is all true or not. If it is, two things can be concluded:

1. Whoever edited that first video to make it look like Meyer was legitimately and innocently asking a question pulled a real cute stunt.

2. Andrew Meyer's behavior seems to demonstrate that he is an immature attention whore whose idea of fun is to act like a cock in public.

I'm done now.

[MJDub]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

He goes to U of F. Fuck him.

[runningman]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

let the cover up begin... you can't buzz somebody over this.. we don't know enough about the tazer to say that it is non-lethal.. the cops are using it to much IMO.. it should be brought out at the last resort not because you don't put your hands behind your back right away.. you also have to tell someone why you are arresting them.. He was harmless and Kerry could have diffused the situation with his answer. There are better ways to handle situations then always by force.. Especially not a tazer..

[DIDI]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

^^^ So true!! Being the biggest fucking idiot in the world doesn't warrant what he got. !! That was disgusting !! They just kept on with the tazers!!! Some woman was saying do it!! do it!! And what do we have here???? Mouthing off about what freedom of speech means!! We are talking about totally unnecessary physical violence to a fellow human being.!! If five police couldn't subdue someone who was obviously putting on an act for the cameras they should get new jobs.!! And hopefully they will have to!!

[DIDI]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

ok, some new info here about the guy (Andrew Meyer) for you to consider.

1. Here's some info about the guy...note the story he wrote about hecking Ken Griffey, Jr. at a baseball game...sound familiar?

http://www.freewebs.com/newforum/bioandpersonalstories.htm

2. Supposedly, a lot more occurred BEFORE the video you saw. It's reported by eyewitnesses that Mr. Meyer rudely "hijacked" the forum by sneaking his way to a mic after the last question had already been announced (something about Israel). Meyer interrupted the question and started yelling at Kerry that he needed to stay and answer all of his questions, that it's not fair, etc. Cops are all over him ready to take him out, but Kerry insists they let him stay and says he will humor him. Kerry answers the other guy's question and then turns to Meyer. THIS is supposedly where the first video starts.

Additional Info

http://www.thebizofknowledge.com/2007/09/eyewitness_account_of_ufs_andr.html

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/17/student-tasered-at-john-kerry-forum/

http://www.neoconnews.com/2007/09/18/tasered-mess-a-complete-dissection-so-far/

Now, I don't really know if this is all true or not. If it is, two things can be concluded:

1. Whoever edited that first video to make it look like Meyer was legitimately and innocently asking a question pulled a real cute stunt.

2. Andrew Meyer's behavior seems to demonstrate that he is an immature attention whore whose idea of fun is to act like a cock in public.

I'm done now.

You just don't get it do you.?? It doesn't matter what he was like . I certainly didn't think he was asking an innocent question and he was undoubtedly an attention whore . It's the cops behavoir that is the issue here.

Oh, and btw, he certainly got that attention didn't he??. As rinningman said could have been handled so much better.

[Miroslav]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

You just don't get it do you.?? It doesn't matter what he was like . I certainly didn't think he was asking an innocent question and he was undoubtedly an attention whore . It's the cops behavoir that is the issue here.

Oh, and btw, he certainly got that attention didn't he??. As rinningman said could have been handled so much better.

sigh...all you bleeding hearts are so quick to cry over a guy who was obviously out of line and then proceeded to fight with the police. It's really rather strange to me.

I don't know about your part of the world, but in the USA when police officers exercise their ability to arrest someone it is not optional for that person to comply - it is a requirement.

And by the way, if it had been one cop and he would have instead had to do things like tackle the kid, put him in a headlock, and slap him around a bit in order to get him under control and cuff him....would that really have made you happier?

[DIDI]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

Sigh... As I said, you just don't get it do you.?

[Miroslav]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

Sigh... As I said, you just don't get it do you.?

Actually, right now I think you don't get it.

But ok...maybe I really don't get it, so enlighten me. What would you have preferred the cops do in that situation?

[runningman]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

sigh...all you bleeding hearts are so quick to cry over a guy who was obviously out of line and then proceeded to fight with the police. It's really rather strange to me.

I don't know about your part of the world, but in the USA when police officers exercise their ability to arrest someone it is not optional for that person to comply - it is a requirement.

And by the way, if it had been one cop and he would have instead had to do things like tackle the kid, put him in a headlock, and slap him around a bit in order to get him under control and cuff him....would that really have made you happier?

out of line? What is this Japan with manner police.. this is the USA home of the brave and the free.. so your saying he can't ask certain questions??

Also a police officer only has the right to arrest you if you broke the law. If not you have the right to protect yourself..

The cops should have let Kerry answer the question and then forgot about it.. if he would refuse to leave then man handle him out using K-a-r-a-t-e... or whatever but don't buzz him with 50,000 volts..

[emuler]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

fuck this stupid kid

[superdave]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

Miroslav is completely right. I'll add that guy is like many of these campus Nazis that shout down the guest speakers at universities. Questions are fine, but he's not there for a rational discussion. He's there to take advantage of the forum and be abusive. I'd like to see many more of these "protesters" put in jail. Those protesters show lack of respect for the speaker and the law. They also get quite violent and attack speakers.

The law enforcement acted fine. That guy had plenty of chances to walk out of there without being tasered and arrested. They even warned him that they would taser him if he didn't stop resisting and he continued to fight with the cops. Believe me, you would certainly taser someone if you were threatened enough. I'd much rather taser someone and explain it then allow myself to be injured.

The blame goes to the kid who started this mess. None of this would have happened if he asked his questions without being disrespectful of Kerry and the people at the speaking event.

[Cj Tari]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

i really cant belieave that people think this was excessive.

when a cop tells you to leave, thats exactly what you do, you leave. they told him shit load of times, and the dude kept on resisting.

one of the reasons a cop needs to be in control of a situation like that is for you not to get hurt, like say, getting a dislocated shoulder, dislocated elbow....


people that have never been arrested are always the same ones saying shit like "that was abusive", if you ever been arrested, you know that when a cop tells you to chill, you chill, if not, hes gonna have enough reasons to kick your ass.

[Miroslav]

Re: anyone see the kid from the john kerry event yet?

This is the last time I'll bug you all with this, I promise. I have too much free time today

out of line? What is this Japan with manner police.. this is the USA home of the brave and the free.. so your saying he can't ask certain questions??

The guy can ask questions. What he can't do without consequence is rudely interrupt a public forum, badger Kerry with disrespectful questions, and subject everyone else to his extreme and disorderly behavior.

Last time..."free" in America doesn't mean that you can say and do anything anywhere anytime with no consequences. But all that doesn't even matter with respect to what happened to him, because that was caused by the guy's decision to RESIST ARREST (apparently I can't get this point across).

Also a police officer only has the right to arrest you if you broke the law. If not you have the right to protect yourself..

Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of law could tell you that this one is absurdly wrong. Resisting arrest by a police officer with violence = up to a FELONY OFFENSE in a US criminal court. Comprende?

When a police officer here detains you, you must comply. It is not up to you to "decide" if you "think" you did/did not break the law, if you do/don't feel like being arrested that day, etc. There are other forums in which your innocence or guilt will be ascertained and where you may defend yourself - it's called a court of law. And if the cops really did something wrong in arresting you, you can even sue them later.

The cops should have let Kerry answer the question and then forgot about it.. if he would refuse to leave then man handle him out using K-a-r-a-t-e... or whatever but don't buzz him with 50,000 volts..

"K-a-r-a-t-e or whatever"?

Here's the bottom line: There is no way for police to subdue an unruly subject except with VIOLENCE AND FORCE. Somehow, I think if the cops had let loose on the chump with some karate kicks and chops, you'd all be screaming bloody murder just the same.

I've said all I can say...probably have half the posts in here and I sound like a broken record...if you still don't follow me then it's obviously out of my hands and we just have to agree to disagree . Peace!