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  • feather
    Shanghai ooompa loompa
    • Jul 2004
    • 20894

    Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

    RANT!

    PRIME Minister Lee Hsien Loong on Tuesday weighed in on the two-day parliamentary debate over Section 377A, which criminalises sex between men.

    Stating his own position and the Govermment's position, Mr Lee explained why the status quo must remain, despite the 'legal untidiness and ambiguity'.

    Quoting Stuart Koe from Fridae.com, an initiator of the Repeal 377A petition who called on the Government to either 'put the gun down' or 'pull the trigger', Mr Lee pointed out it will be 'unwise' to do so.

    'If we force the issue and settle the matter definitively one way or the other, we will never reach an agreement... Instead of forging a consensus, we will divide and polarise our society', he explained.

    Mr Lee pointed out that many who oppose homosexuality, do so in deeply held religious convictions, especially Christians and Muslims.

    Abolition of Section 377A, he pointed out, will not give gay rights activists what they really want - more space and full acceptance by Singaporeans.

    The more gay activists push their agenda, he said, the stronger will be the push back from conservative forces in society.

    Mr Lee pointed to the current wave of support shown by those who want to keep Section 377A. 'The result will be counterproductive, as it will lead to less space for homosexuals in Singapore,' he said.

    The Prime Minister also believes that if Section 377A was repealed, 'gay activists will push for more' - for example, changing what is taught in schools, advocating same-sex marriages and parenting.

    Stressing yet again that Singapore is still a conservative society that values the conventional family unit, Mr Lee said what's needed is to 'strike a balance'.

    'We will stay one step behind the frontline of change... Watch how things work out elsewhere, before making any irrevocable moves.

    'We were right to uphold the family unit when Western countries went for experimental lifestyles in the 1960s. We are right to accomodate homosexuals in our society, but not to encourage activists to champion gay rights the way they do in the West.'

    His bottomline: 'Let us keep this balance and leave S377A alone.'
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    Section 377A criminalizes gay sex and has been under review. Stirred up some shit on the island, and despite all the protests, petitioning and discussion, the government has decided to keep the law.

    What's really pissing me off is reading on the front page this morning, Prime Minister Lee claiming that Singapore needs to maintain its conservative, heterosexual family values while giving gays the space to live. That gays are part of, and contributing ,members of society but we need to strike a balance with a conservative straight society. Also that the government is ready to recognize that homosexuality is perhaps inborn, and natural.

    Oh and BTW, the law won't be proactively enforced. WTF?

    How does a government claim these things while telling the same people, we'd love to have you around, but yeah it's illegal for you to have sex. But we probably won't persecute you, this is just a 'law' to maintain some sort of imaginary balance among conservative members of society. Conservative being a completely arbitary standard that the government here loves to bandy about as an excuse to maintain the status quo.

    All this while Singapore continues its middle-child syndrome, dreams of being a first-world country, and be recognized by the world.

    I'm flabberghasted at how the national paper can print such contradictory statements. This is only the second time I'm throwing a fit over local shit, the first time being the go-ahead of integrated resorts (casinoes!) development, against local public opinion.

    Sorry I'm just ranting, nobody on my MSN seems to give a fuck about this

    i_want_to_have_sex_with_electronic_music

    Originally posted by Hoff
    a powerful and insane mothership that occasionally comes commanded by the real ones .. then suck us and makes us appear in the most magical of all lands
    Originally posted by m1sT3rL
    Oh. My. God. James absolutely obliterated the island tonight. The last time there was so much destruction, Obi Wan Kenobi had to take a seat on the Falcon after the Death Star said "hi and bye" to Leia's homeworld.

    I got pics and video. But I will upload them in the morning. I need to smoke this nice phat joint and just close my eyes and replay the amazingness in my head.
  • DIDI
    Aussie Pest
    • Nov 2004
    • 16844

    #2
    Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

    Doesn't make a lot of sense does it!!
    Originally posted by TheVrk
    it IS incredible isn't it??
    STILL pumpin out great set after great set...never cheesed out, never sold out, never lost his touch..
    Simply does not get any better than Hernan
    The 'club spirit' is in the soul. It Never Dies

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    • Corven
      Are you Kidding me??
      • Jun 2004
      • 4080

      #3
      Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

      i might be reading too much into the above mentioned law but i always thought its a sexists law where only gay men are prosecuted .... they didnt mention anything about lesbians ..
      I broke my spoon on the viagra sundae.

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      • SyntaxTerror
        Occupation: Playtex Sales
        • Jun 2004
        • 964

        #4
        Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

        Just keep the door shut feather and no one will ever find out
        "If not for Josh Wink, Sasha wouldn't own any Acid except for the paper stuff he dopes chicks with at clubs." - Jenks, 2004

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        • Kamal
          Administrator
          • May 2002
          • 28835

          #5
          Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

          ^^ I was about to say..... feather and poto playing on the swing
          www.mjwebhosting.com

          Jib says:
          he isnt worth the water that splashes up into your asshole while you're shitting
          Originally posted by ace_dl
          Guys and Gals, I have to hurry/leaving for short-term vacations.
          I won't be back until next Tuesday, so if Get Carter is the correct answer, I would appreciate of someone else posts a new cap for me

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          • feather
            Shanghai ooompa loompa
            • Jul 2004
            • 20894

            #6
            Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

            I'm straight

            i_want_to_have_sex_with_electronic_music

            Originally posted by Hoff
            a powerful and insane mothership that occasionally comes commanded by the real ones .. then suck us and makes us appear in the most magical of all lands
            Originally posted by m1sT3rL
            Oh. My. God. James absolutely obliterated the island tonight. The last time there was so much destruction, Obi Wan Kenobi had to take a seat on the Falcon after the Death Star said "hi and bye" to Leia's homeworld.

            I got pics and video. But I will upload them in the morning. I need to smoke this nice phat joint and just close my eyes and replay the amazingness in my head.

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            • Maff
              Up the City
              • Dec 2006
              • 269

              #7
              Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

              as long as they dont film themselves no one needs to know, but its a crazy
              a crazy law

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              • BureOne
                Are you Kidding me??
                • Jun 2004
                • 3285

                #8
                Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

                sounds like your pissed you wont be able to have anal pleasure...

                Yeah it's a bit confusing for the fags..but hey, at least they can walk around town hold hands and kiss while window shopping.

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                • AntonyM
                  DUDERZ get a life!!!
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 6415

                  #9
                  Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

                  Gettin it from both the Christian and Muslims
                  sounds like they are gettin, F'd in public.
                  Gotta love hypocracy.
                  Originally posted by Shpira
                  So came back last night...
                  Sven Vath was amazing...he played a god damn killer set...ended up going to that and came to at like 10 am in some whore house in south Amsterdam...no idea how I ended up there...friday was a bit of a blur got really drunk and visited several parties can't remember a whole lot to be honest hehe...saturday was probably the best day that I recall...started up in the nearest coffee shop and going from party to party...beautiful woman, beer and weed...finished the night by taking some shrooms and listening to an amazing elke kleijn set...sunday...i met a nice girl who worked at one of the coffee shops and ended up talking to her for like 6 hours...was supposed to meet her at some DnB party...but instead went for a steak and walked around red light district bars drinking and smoking...monday took it easy went to a coffee shop and took a taxi to airport....

                  All in all...I think I will be going back there some time soon
                  Originally posted by Illuminate
                  Let me get this straight.

                  So white-middle class Americans have been told by their Television sets to be fearful of:

                  1. Mexicans/Latinos from the South bringing drugs and killings n' shit.
                  2. African Americans cause mos def they are raging a race war and want to occupy America like how the plebs occupied Wall St.
                  3. Iranians/Afghans/Any one of middle eastern origin to be quite frank, cause you know Islam...
                  4. North Koreans/Chinese cause you know everything...

                  Am I close here?

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                  • stella
                    Getting Somewhere
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 104

                    #10
                    Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

                    No sex for gays, they should not be allowed to reproduce.

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                    • Dhar_2
                      meat and potatoes
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 18916

                      #11
                      Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

                      Originally posted by feather
                      I'm straight
                      thats what they all say!

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                      • Dhar_2
                        meat and potatoes
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 18916

                        #12
                        Re: Singapore: Yes to gays, no to gay sex

                        Originally posted by stella
                        No sex for gays, they should not be allowed to reproduce.

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