Drugs

[Jenks]

rather that hijack the other thread where lobsterclanster is ranting about NORML, i thought i'd start a new topic completely, and try to get away from liberal this and right that...

"I'm a pothead, and I'm more right then I am left. Except for that political compass Jenks posted, which I was more left on.

Besides, you don't have to be a pothead to think Pot should be legal. You just have no clue what your talking about."


After reading through pages and pages of anti-Kerry bile, to see asdf say all of a sudden that if Kerry supported legalization of marijuana, it's no stretch to assume that marijuana is a major issue for him-- for it to be that much of an issue, the chances are pretty great he's a pothead. As a former pothead, I too favor legalization greatly--- amazing, something we agree on.


Finally, if you go to the Norml website scorecard http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5895

You'll see that Bush gets a thumbs down on all Marijuana related issues-- Kerry gets three so-so's and one thumbs up. Hmmm, who is the more marijuana-friendly candidate???

Oh yeah, I forgot, Norml is a tool of the liberal machine. HAHAHAHA

I personally don't want a president who has never experimented with drugs. I dunno, i just don't feel right about having someone high up(pardon the pun) delegating drug policy on something he's never tried.

We all know Clinton and Bush's drug use, as it is well "hear say" documented, which i think at this point we can pretty much state as fact. Funny how that works isn't it. lol.

ok, now...as far as legalizing marijuana, and even other drugs, i'll say this:

if you went to college, and you didn't experiment with drugs, at least toke the hippie lettuce, or eat some shrooms or something, then i dub thee a dork. Sorry, but man, it's college, and i don't care what kind of grades you got or what special program you were in, i've done drugs in college with people who are now doctors and lawyers and teachers, and man they were out of their fucking gord in college.

Now, does that mean i think drugs should be legalized, NO. I do think marijuana should be decriminialized so it can be used in research and more readily available as an alternative medicine. Do i think it should be legal to purchase over the counter so kids can obtain it so much easier? Fuck NO! I've been to amsterdam, regardless of what they state about their crime rate down and blah blah blah, hog wash, that city is full of fucked up people. Granted, most of them are tourists, but still, no way i want mariuana or shrooms made available over the counter. You can show me studies all day long about the benefits of legalizing drugs, and i'll show you some high school drop out sitting on his couch with his cock in his hand watching britney spears videos smoking blunts all day not being productive. Experimenting in college is one thing, and the occasional toke as a professional is one thing, but out right legalization is a bad idea to our already addicitive society.

I agree there are far too many people locked up in prison for drugs. I really don't have a solution for this. Maybe decriminalization is the answer. 1. it takes the some of the market out of illegal drugs because they are more readily available, but hopefully still out of the reach of children. 2. it makes room in prisons for rapists, murders, robbers, etc, who are getting off early due to over crowding.

i don't really know where i'm going from here with any of this, so i'll just digress.

any thoughts? i'm sure there will be you fucking pot heads. lol. (it's rather hypocritical of me to call some of you that since i was once a pot head myself.)

anyway, penny for your thoughts.

*one final thing, all of you liberal supporters quoting norml and yikkity yak, i've yet to hear one thing about Kerry trying drugs. Bush has been shoving product up his nose and smoking god knows what since Harvard. Scoreboard!

[LobsterClan]

Re: Drugs

*one final thing, all of you liberal supporters quoting norml and yikkity yak, i've yet to hear one thing about Kerry trying drugs. Bush has been shoving product up his nose and smoking god knows what since Harvard. Scoreboard!

Kerry has admitted to trying marijuana, as has John Edwards. Bush has not admitted to ever trying it, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

http://www.cannabis.net/presidentialpot.html

[Jenks]

so that's all you have to say about drugs in america?

ffs, i will from now on discredit your responses if that's all you can give. Kerry said, bush didn't. Blah blah blah.

[LobsterClan]

so that's all you have to say about drugs in america?

ffs, i will from now on discredit your responses if that's all you can give. Kerry said, bush didn't. Blah blah blah.

Err.. I have plenty to say on drugs in America. I answered the bit that was directed to me. I would prefer to see more responses before I get to my own views-- besides, I'm currently in a poker tournament and can't go into great detail. Terribly sorry my answer, with the facts, wasn't to your liking.

[Jenks]

so you're a gambler AND a drug addict?

[timkell]

Jenks, you're sort of making the same mistake a lot of others make when talking about legalization. People automatically make the leap to "I don't want it so kids can go buy it over the counter. That's too much."

That stance make a lot of sense, but there are many forms of legalization. It can become a prescription drug. Doctors can be authorized to prescribe it for stress relief, in addition to the other benefits it has.

Even if it were to be legalized for recreational use, it could still be tightly controlled if desired. Obviously, 21 to purchase, like alcohol. Maybe keep hash bars illegal, public smoking illegal, even selling it can be illegal, but make possession legal.

There are a million different ways to legalize without turning every city into a collection of stoner bars.

My personal stance is that medical marijuana should be legalized ASAP and penalties should be drastically reduced for all forms of possession and selling. Jail sentences should be eliminated for all but the most blatantly kingpinnish of dealers. Police drug unit budgets should be reprioritized to make marijuana investigations the absolute lowest priority. Those are great first steps.

After that, we let the dust settle. See what the impact is on our society, and see if we need to keep the reins that tight, or if we can open them up a little more.

The real point is we have no idea what the impact will be, but most people agree the current state of affairs is ridiculous and unacceptable. Let's start with some minor changes and see what the impact is.

[Jenks]

That stance make a lot of sense, but there are many forms of legalization. It can become a prescription drug. Doctors can be authorized to prescribe it for stress relief, in addition to the other benefits it has.

guess you missed the part where i said it should be decriminalized to the point where it can be used for research, alternative fuels, and medicine.

decriminialization needs to happen.

i do not think it should be sold over the counter like alcohol to people 21 and over. As you're well aware i'm sure, it's easy for kids 13 years old to have older siblings buy alcohol for them. Hell when i was 15 i was drinking whiskey and beer my older brother had his older friends buy for me.

If it's prescribed by doctors, then fine, but otc should be out of the question.

[Jenks]

a story...

i graduated with a creative writing/english literature degree, not that i'm using it worth a piss tho.

one of my first few classes in my major was a pursuasive writing lab. it was an experiement to see how you could write about something and convince a target audience to agree with your points regardless of the controversy.

i approached my professor with the idea of arguing for the legalization of marijuana. His response was, "You can use this topic, but be warned, i've read a LOT of papers on this subject, you're going to have to come from a completely different angle than the others did to do well on this project."

Well, i got an A because i didn't focus on the recreational use or the effects the effects of the drug. I turned the paper in to an economics lesson. The legalization (or decriminalization in this instance) of marijuana could have a great positive economic impact on our economy via taxation, paper products, deforestation, fossil fuels, medicinal, etc...but, not once did i ever say it should be used like alcohol or tobacco. That doesn't mean i ever want it available to the general public. Those who really want to get some, can probably get some anyway, why make it that much easier by having it sitting behind a bar?

[superdave]

Re: Drugs

I think it's ok for anyone to have tried drugs at some point in their life run for and hold political office. Everyone makes mistakes and you can't hold it against them forever. Now, I don't think they should break laws while in office. I prefer someone that did do drugs recreationally because I think they have a better understanding of Americans.

As for decriminilzation of marijuana, I'm not sold on that. The bad side is that I too have seen lots of stoners that do nothing, but get high. I've seen the stoners that do well and the alcoholics too that are successful. It really depends on the person. Some can handle it and others can't.

Marijuana isn't harmless health wise either. Smoking cigarettes are bad for you and cause lung cancer and other health issues, so weed wouldn't be any different. That said, then who sells marijuana legally or would want too? Phillip Morris and other tobacco companies have been settling cancer lawsuits for millions of dollars for years. The lawyers would salivate on suing the marijuana companies for cancer, addiction, or who knows what.

[LobsterClan]

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IMarijuana isn't harmless health wise either. Smoking cigarettes are bad for you and cause lung cancer and other health issues, so weed wouldn't be any different. That said, then who sells marijuana legally or would want too? Phillip Morris and other tobacco companies have been settling cancer lawsuits for millions of dollars for years. The lawyers would salivate on suing the marijuana companies for cancer, addiction, or who knows what.

This is entirely incorrect. Marijuana does not cause lung cancer. While it would be logical to assume that since cigarettes cause lung cancer, marijuana would as well-- it simply isn't the case. You'll notice how lung cancer rates in Jamaica are significantly lower than elsewhere.

I'm fairly certain that the reason for cigarettes causing lung cancer is, as C Everett Koop said on TV, because the tobacco grown by big tobacco is radioactive.

"U.S. government studies have show that a pack-and-a-half of tobacco cigarettes per day over a year for just one year is the equivalent to your lungs of what some 300 chest x-rays (using the old, pre-1980s slow x-ray film and without using any lead protection) are to your skin."

I also think that the tobacco companies could make cigarettes non-radioactive if they so chose-- but it would be much more expensive for them. The only "safe" cigarettes you can smoke are organic American Spirits-- and those average about $5/pack.

Some good information here: http://www.smokingfacts.org/

[Jibgolly]

i smoke pot. all the time.

[asdf_admin]

^^^ liar. you fucking straight edge pos.

[Jibgolly]

straight edge? no
straight? yes
smarter than the average bear? billadung ho ho heeeeeeee

[asdf_admin]

lol. love you pal. i hope life is treating you well.

write to me soon sweetie.

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[Jibgolly]

life sux. die. drink. fuck. smoke. snort. inject.
eat shit. fuck fuck fuck.
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