Islam is good. media is not.

[Bululu]

Re: Islam is good. media is not.

OK. This is going to sound harsh, but i don't care.

We should believe in God because there is a God?!?! What the fuck kind of circular logic is that? Thats like saying "you should believe in this magic celery stick. Its magic because I say so".
And how do you know there is a God, have you been chatting with him? Has he bestowed some divine insight to you that cofirms beyond a shadow of a doubt that he exists? If you answered yes to any of these questions, seek mental help.

The argument that air is free = there must be a God is about the stupidest thing I've heard in quite awhile. And I was just listening to Bill O'Riley on satellite radio the other day, so thats saying something...

Did they not educate you in your eutopic muslim country?


and to Bululululululu....you must have the best pair of rose-coloured glasses ever made.

Care to explain please???? forget about the god existing thing that I found stupid too.

[day_for_night]

Re: Islam is good. media is not.

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i mean you see things only as you want to see them and completely ignore any valid points that punch a hole in your argument...

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Miroslav my friend, have you ever been to Malaysia ?? ever worked there ??? ever saw documentaries about it ??? please do and then answer me.

Miroslav really needs to go there to understand what he was discussing? The story about the woman who had her baby taken away is made up? Or the religious police there? That those things could exist there and have it labled 'a good muslim country' are two incompatible things. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

The fact is, despite all the muslims around the world who claim that 'its not the religion, its the country'...you don't see alot of these same muslims denouncing the countries that subjegate their women or run the country like a facist regime. There needs to be significantly more of the muslim community policing its own.

And how is it that all these random countries around the world, from the middle east to south asia, have had similar results under muslim rule? is it just coincidence that they all treat women or religious minorities the same way? that they beat lawyers in pakistan, have riots in jakarta, or punish a woman for being raped in saudi arabia? Even in dubai, where they are considered 'progressive', women are still FAR from being equal. And i've been there, so i'm not guessing on this one.

The western world, though flawed as it may be, is still better than muslim rule, any way you shake it. Rule of law, freedom of the press, democracy...these things are superior to the conditions in any muslim nation (as politically incorrect as that is to say nowadays...).

[Bululu]

Re: Islam is good. media is not.

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i mean you see things only as you want to see them and completely ignore any valid points that punch a hole in your argument...

for example



Miroslav really needs to go there to understand what he was discussing? The story about the woman who had her baby taken away is made up? Or the religious police there? That those things could exist there and have it labled 'a good muslim country' are two incompatible things. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

The fact is, despite all the muslims around the world who claim that 'its not the religion, its the country'...you don't see alot of these same muslims denouncing the countries that subjegate their women or run the country like a facist regime. There needs to be significantly more of the muslim community policing its own.

And how is it that all these random countries around the world, from the middle east to south asia, have had similar results under muslim rule? is it just coincidence that they all treat women or religious minorities the same way? that they beat lawyers in pakistan, have riots in jakarta, or punish a woman for being raped in saudi arabia? Even in dubai, where they are considered 'progressive', women are still FAR from being equal. And i've been there, so i'm not guessing on this one.

The western world, though flawed as it may be, is still better than muslim rule, any way you shake it. Rule of law, freedom of the press, democracy...these things are superior to the conditions in any muslim nation (as politically incorrect as that is to say nowadays...).

See and you claim things you don't even know, have you been to arab discussion forums ?? to your information this scandle of the lashed woman came out from arab discussion forums, or do you think a journalist from the LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC world went and came out with this story, what I am trying to say in case you didn't understand is that instead of sitting on your comfy sofa and watching your big screen LCD and criticizing the Islamic and Arab world (which I know still have a long way to go in some aspects of democracy and human rights) try to meet arabs or muslims, get to know them, try to discuss with them their priniciples, if you have money go visit countries like Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Indonesia and see for yourself that they are still human beings like you, and even if you are coming from a diffrent culture you will still see down to earth people who will welcome you to their homes and put the best of what they have in their fridge for you to eat.

I have one simple anecdote, I used to live in Saudi Arabia when I was young due to father's work. and I used to go to an american institue to learn English , our teacher was from Las Vegas, very nice guy, and one of the students used to be a businessman ( with beard and dress , the kind of people that I am sure you would get scared off when you see one on TV) and this bearded guy used to invite us every weekend to his house and feed us the best food ever, this is an example of how people from two distant and completely diffrent cultures get together if we just open up a bit, the muslims have actiosn to take and the western world has to stop seeing anything muslim as dangerous.

And by the way who beats the lawyers, isn't it the Musharaf regime which the states backed and still backs now adays, isn't he the free world ally agaisnt extrimists in PAkistan ???? riots don't only happen in Indonesia fyi, riots happen in the states too, in France, Georgia, South Africa, and if you know that Dubai don't respect women, why did you go and visit ?? or did you work with them ??? if you really dont like them as you say avoid dealing with them for once. the Arab and Muslim world have their problems I know but it is nothing bigger than problems in India or in South America. By the way when I talk about the muslim and arab world I prefer to take examples of countries outside of the Arabian peninsula, countries such as Lebanon, Jordan, Algeria, Mororocco, Tunisia.

Now if you still think that I see the world in pink than what can i tell you thats your opininon.