Torture in the US

[runningman]

Re: Torture in the US

did you guys hear about the eco-terrorists in Seattle and Washington??

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977274980&grpId=3659174697241980&nav=Groupspace

Now it won't be men in turbans that only get waterboarded.. it will be anyone of us.

[Miroslav]

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did you guys hear about the eco-terrorists in Seattle and Washington??

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977274980&grpId=3659174697241980&nav=Groupspace

Now it won't be men in turbans that only get waterboarded.. it will be anyone of us.

Only if you're an eco-terrorist and those guys are complete idiots anyways, so I just might not care

[masterofnone01]

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Torture is nothing new. What is new is the way news is gathered and reported.
As technology expands the world in a sense gets smaller. Now, unlike before, anyone with a camera phone or a PC w/ internet connection can instantly become the "front line" reporter.

Again, torture is nothing new. It is just that now more people are able to see it with their own eyes to be true and not just some "story" that your one crazy uncle that fought in that one war told you about.

[DragonFire]

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Ok well ofcourse torture is nothing new and i think that alot of pople miss the real picture ... The thing is alot of times the CIA relies on the information given by other intelligence agencies like that of Pakistan or Egypt or Britain or wherever , the whole problem is its just easier to start torturing these people without validation ..
There are people that have been locked up in Guantanamo for ages without a reason , there is no real accusation . If you hold up a person for more than 5 years and he doesnt add up to your information anything then why would you be still keeping him .. Did you guys read about that al jazeera reporter who is being held up .. I dont give a shit about al jazeera myself but this guy is just there cause he " might " one day something useful wtf ??!!! You are keeping people just because they might yield info in the future ??!!! well if after you torture them you dint get anything out of them i think this gives you a sign that they dont know anything , or they might even start giving you what you want .
According to statistics and research , suspects who undergo severe torture usually just spit out imaginary information for the sake of ending the torture , an example is that sudanese guy who gave info about bin laden and al qaeda after 9/11 , most of what he said was what the CIA wanted to hear and this was found out to be true when they went into Iraq and no WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION were found , then its so easy just to come up and say in a public conference "sorry we had the wrong info" <<<---- this is the big fukin problem ..validate your freakin info before you go around torturing people

[algy]

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Oh jeez.. what's next, reports on inhumane use of Stress Positions?

[asdf_admin]

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still will happen. we just will not know about it.

we live in a day and age where information is so critical. rules are meant to be broken.

as a wise man said "it is only illegal if you get caught".

[lilsensa]

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Studies have shown that torture does not always produce the truth...People will tell you anything to avoid torture...Does torture make people talk? Yes..Does it make them say what you want to hear, regardless of truth? Yes....

[CactusBeats]

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The Iraq war, yes THE IRAQ WAR, was perpetrated partially because of information gleaned this way. Torture has already cost us plenty. As was already said, torture someone and they will tell you anything to stop. They will probably tell you what you want to hear.

The effect no one is talking about is what torture does to those who perpetrate it/ do it to the victim. The perpetrators (CIA in this case) suffer a high degree of PTSD. It not only hurts the victim but it poisons the perpetrator.

Unreliable intelligence, loss of moral authority, stooping to the terrorists level. I'll say, al-quaida is freeking thrilled they could manipulate our idiot leader into doing all the damage he's done. I bet Osama never thought he could get us to screw everything up this badly. Manipulation. It's part of what effective terrorists do.

[88Mariner]

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^ the information Powell vaguely state at the notorious UN meeting was information gleaned by torturing an Iraqi.

I think that's what you're referring to.

[CactusBeats]

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yep, that's the one 88.

Seems we no longer learn from our mistakes. .....doomed to......

Thanks