Romney Drops Out

[toasty]

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have you actually read the quotes in context? and the fact that he didn't write them. And the fact that it's old news from the early 90's.

Actually, yeah, I have read them in context, was aware that he didn't write some of them, and am aware that it's been around for a while. With that being the case:

1. Some of that, even in context, is still pretty troubling.
2. This stuff went out in a newsletter called "The Ron Paul Political Report," and it wasn't an isolated incident. Even if you take Paul at his word that he didn't know these statements were in there, allowing stuff like that to go out under your name makes it seem like he was asleep at the wheel. Either way, it's the sort of thing that an opposing campaign would have a field day with because there's no way to spin it that puts him in a positive light.

Just look at it from a horse race standpoint, which is how I intended my post -- you have to agree that if he were to receive serious scrutiny, he would have to deal with it and it would not play well. Look at how the press grabbed onto the Clinton-Obama squabble to create a race-based dialogue that I thought was frankly overblown. The same press that saw to it that Paul got no exposure is the same press that loves to cling to salacious stuff like this.

If people are going to bring up such an insignificant claim, when the future of this country is at stake, I would recommend that you reconsider what is more important for the country....

Is this directed at me? Like I said, I like much of what Paul has to say, but if I'm being realistic, he has no chance for a host of reasons, most of which have nothing to do with him being marginalized by the press.

[Jenks]

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kucinich's views on evolution?

^No, ron fucking paul.

i'd spell it out myself, but i can't put it any better than this, as someone said on another board i argue politics on:

It must be strange to have a strong economic understanding based on mathematical law but refute the existence of evolution science but hold dear the mathematic models that prove evolution theory and are borrowed by economics, for example evolutionary game theory.

Live in one world deny the other, makes you a hypocrite. The shit has been hitting Paul hard since he emerged as a candidate.

I'd' probably vote for Nader before i voted for Paul. And neither one of them has a shot in hell of ever being president.

Let's focus our energy on talking about people who might actually be president of this country one day.

[88Mariner]

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As a person who believes in evolution, I actually don't believe in paul's view on the creation of the earth. why? because i know he's not going to take that belief and start making policy around it. He has time and time again shown this to be true. Huckabee is quite the opposite....he's the person you need to be scared of.

Toasty
-i think the reason why ron paul doesn't have a chance is because most people haven't given him one. There are probably a few million who think the same way. "I like ron paul, but he doesn't have a chance". But, let's face it, the only reason why he doesn't have a chance is because the media has ignored him outright (didn't fox news today say there were only two republicans in the race right now?)

I was at the gym this afternoon reading the text on the screen from McCain's speech at CPAC> what a 180 that guy pulled.

If conservatives are going to believe that, then they need to fess up: Michael Moore is probably just as believable.

Gotta admit, i was pumping iron twice as hard and twice as heavy today as i watched on.

Well, maybe you're right. maybe we should just do nothing. because there is no chance.


Come november i'm selling my tv. things are going to get worse.

[Jenks]

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As a person who believes in evolution, I actually don't believe in paul's view on the creation of the earth. why? because i know he's not going to take that belief and start making policy around it. He has time and time again shown this to be true. Huckabee is quite the opposite....he's the person you need to be scared of.
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i know he's not going to make policy around this evolution beliefs, but to me it's a major character flaw. He's living in his dream world. It doesn't matter, because MC Hammer as as much of a chance at being president at Paul does. So, whatever.

And yeah, Huckabee scares the living shit out of me, just like the rest of the republicans do

[88Mariner]

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how is that a character flaw though? I mean, if it was a character issue, then it would go to the fact that he does not make policy based on his own beliefs but rather to maximize the liberties of others to live as they choose.

Perhaps i'm a bit different: i've got more respect for people who keep thier churches out of political offices than others.

[Jenks]

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It's like this:

Would you want someone who believes the earth is flat to be your leader?

"Hey, he's not going to use his beliefs that the earth is flat to make policy"

Yeah, but he thinks it's fucking flat, and it ISN'T. stretch of an analogy, but it is what it is.

Paul has some brilliant ideas, as already mentioned here and in other threads, but he's a bit off his rocker on some things- and coming off an 8 year run of guy who is REALLY fucking off his rocker, i'm just sayin...no thanks.

[toasty]

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Toasty
-i think the reason why ron paul doesn't have a chance is because most people haven't given him one. There are probably a few million who think the same way. "I like ron paul, but he doesn't have a chance". But, let's face it, the only reason why he doesn't have a chance is because the media has ignored him outright (didn't fox news today say there were only two republicans in the race right now?)

I'm actually saying something different. Basically, my point is that even though he's never been able to gain any traction because the media hasn't given him a chance and have taken steps to marginalize him, if that were not the case he'd still be getting creamed because he's got too many skeletons in his closet to make it gracefully through the sort of scrutiny given to presidential candidates.

Put another way, people who take a closer look at Ron Paul like him very much. When people take a much closer look at Ron Paul, though, a lot of the luster tends to wear off. My opinion.

Remember when he was on Colbert Report, the crowd was really with him for like 90% of his interview. Towards the end, Colbert began asking if he'd like to abolish certain government agencies, and you could sense the, "Yeah, I don't know about that" vibe in the crowd.

He wants to abolish:
Medicare
Department of Education
Department of Energy
Department of Homeland Security
IRS
FEMA
UN
NATO
The Interstate Commerce Commission
NAFTA
WTO
etc

I mean, I'm a big proponent of small government, but come on. Bounds of reason. Even if you agree with this, you've got to recognize that most people don't share his views here. That's a problem in a general election.

[88Mariner]

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Right, but he said let's abolish the federal agencies, and leave those agencies to the states themselves. that's been his point all along. let's return the federal government to a more efficient, responsible, and legitimate size. I can only wonder how large the government will be expanded in the next 8 years. Sadly, there will never be another candidate that will run on the platform of reducing the scope of the federal government. A legitimate candidate that is.

I think other candidates have WAY more skeletons in thier closets than Paul. By a huge stretch, too. Seriously. It's never stopped anyone from being in the office before, has it?

Hell, John McCain's second wife is more corrupt than Paul ffs.

All I'm saying is this: there is a chance, but a slim chance at that, where the citizens of this country can vote for thier own personal and financial freedom. But clearly the populace has voted for thier own imprisonment. (I'm sure someone has said this in a more eloquent fashion before).

RIP has taken a new meaning: Republic in Pieces.

over and out

[88Mariner]

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http://www.lp.org/media/article_564.shtml

this has made me feel a little better haha

[AntonyM]

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Glad to see Romney gone with his cheap Reagen act
as for Ron Paul distmantle the federal govt might freak
a lot of people out, but it would be interesting except
for the unemployed lobbyist and politicians.

[anonin]

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thats some awfully big words to be using in a Republican thread

[anonin]

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http://www.lp.org/media/article_564.shtml


this has made me feel a little better haha

dude, get off ron pauls dick, seriously bro, give his nuts a little breathing room!

[88Mariner]

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i'm not a fairweather fan of constitutional liberties and economic responsibility, so no. sorry, i can't do it.


After reading a great amount of opinions on what happened yesterday, I think what ticks me off the most is how one day, one person says mccain is the worst choice, and then the next, that we should reconsider his ability to be a 'conservative president'.

[Jenks]

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There aren't anymore 'republicans.' I really don't see how anyone can vote for what's left of that party.

[toasty]

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After reading a great amount of opinions on what happened yesterday, I think what ticks me off the most is how one day, one person says mccain is the worst choice, and then the next, that we should reconsider his ability to be a 'conservative president'.

If there's one thing that todays "Republicans" (using that term in its loosest possible sense) do well, it's band together, circle the wagons, and speak with a common voice regardless of whether they all hold that view or not. Part of the reason they are so successful politically is that they seem to view solidarity as trumping everything else. It's why the the Dems have had their asses handed to them since taking over Congress.

The GOP walks in lock-step with one another to ensure that the Dems can't claim victory on anything. Remember when the GOP controlled the Senate, "filibuster" was a dirty word used to demonize attempts by the Dems to block legislation? Now, the message coming out of the GOP is, "everyone knows that you need 60 votes to do anything in the Senate." They've filibustered bill after bill after bill -- hell it just happened yesterday with the stimulus package (before they cut that deal) -- but when is the last time you heard the word "filibuster?"

The GOP bands together and sends out a unified message, which the press then regurgitates. Maybe that's what's going on with McCain -- perhaps if they say it enough, they'll start to believe it themselves...