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  • Balanc3
    Platinum Poster
    • Jun 2004
    • 1278

    What happened to the WMDs?

    I think this was a topic recently. Proves how worthless the U.N. Security Council really has become.

    UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after



    SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
    Friday, June 11, 2004
    The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003.

    The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council on new findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam's missile and WMD program.

    The briefing contained satellite photographs that demonstrated the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war. Council members were shown photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and then saw a satellite image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had disappeared.

    UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the council on June 9 that "the only controls at the borders are for the weight of the scrap metal, and to check whether there are any explosive or radioactive materials within the scrap," Middle East Newsline reported.
    "It's being exported," Perricos said after the briefing. "It's being traded out. And there is a large variety of scrap metal from very new to very old, and slowly, it seems the country is depleted of metal."

    "The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," Perricos told the council. Perricos also reported that inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.

    He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East. at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month. Destionations included Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey.

    The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters ? the latter required for the production of chemical and biological warheads.

    "It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for," Ewen Buchanan, Perricos's spokesman, said. "You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax."

    The UNMOVIC report said Iraqi missiles were dismantled and exported to such countries as Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey. In the Dutch city of Rotterdam, an SA-2 surface-to-air missile, one of at least 12, was discovered in a junk yard, replete with UN tags. In Jordan, UN inspectors found 20 SA-2 engines as well as components for solid-fuel for missiles.

    "The problem for us is that we don't know what may have passed through these yards and other yards elsewhere," Buchanan said. "We can't really assess the significance and don't know the full extent of activity that could be going on there or with others of Iraq's neighbors."

    UN inspectors have assessed that the SA-2 and the short-range Al Samoud surface-to-surface missile were shipped abroad by agents of the Saddam regime. Buchanan said UNMOVIC plans to inspect other sites, including in Turkey.

    In April, International Atomic Energy Agency director-general Mohammed El Baradei said material from Iraqi nuclear facilities were being smuggled out of the country.
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  • Northern Exposed
    Getting Somewhere
    • Jun 2004
    • 164

    #2
    The Weapons of Mass Deception are everywhere if you look hard enough.

    Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tenet, Rice. <--That's four of them right there. :wink:
    I ain't no damn noobie. Bitch.

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    • factorg
      Addiction started
      • Jun 2004
      • 265

      #3
      Re: What happened to the WMDs?

      Originally posted by Balanc3
      UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after



      SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM
      Friday, June 11, 2004
      The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003.

      The briefing contained satellite photographs that demonstrated the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war. Council members were shown photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and then saw a satellite image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had disappeared.


      In April, International Atomic Energy Agency director-general Mohammed El Baradei said material from Iraqi nuclear facilities were being smuggled out of the country.
      This has been the biggest fear, where and in whose hands have these WMD's now landed in? Trouble will come and just think how many people will die if a WMD gets set off in a city like London or New York
      "..truth has a habit of marching on.."

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      • brakada
        Gold Gabber
        • Jun 2004
        • 622

        #4
        well, if the USA hadn't attacked Iraq, none of this wouldn't have happened. But still, seriously, that the financially exhausted armies of the ex-soviet republics are a much bigger threat regarding the WMDs getting into the hands of the wrong people...

        And what? were there no photos taken between May 2003 and February 2004. I don't like something about this report and it's not just the fact, that I could have been wrong in the past... :wink:
        We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."

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        • factorg
          Addiction started
          • Jun 2004
          • 265

          #5
          Originally posted by brakada
          well, if the USA hadn't attacked Iraq, none of this wouldn't have happened.
          I don't buy that. These weapons would still be available to terrorists if Saddam was still in power. In fact he would probably be encouraging there use against the western world. Any excuse will do to attack the western world, why? because they want to give everyone a say where as regime's like the taliban and Sadman's is all about absolute control. IMHO :wink:
          "..truth has a habit of marching on.."

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          • brakada
            Gold Gabber
            • Jun 2004
            • 622

            #6
            Originally posted by factorg
            I don't buy that. These weapons would still be available to terrorists if Saddam was still in power. In fact he would probably be encouraging there use against the western world.
            I think Saddam was far too clever, selfish and paranoic to share his WMDs if he had any (I don't believe anything anyone says. I'm not saying that he didn't have them, I'm just leaving all the doors open :wink: ), while he was in power. The terrorist organisation, although sharing mutual hatred for the USA and it's allies (it's not like the terrorists hate the entire western civilisation... at least I hope so :wink, Saddam and most of the terrorist organisations (palestinian terrorists excluded) also hated themselves mutually, because of different religous, social and other aspects.
            We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."

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            • MJDub
              Are you Kidding me??
              • Jun 2004
              • 2765

              #7
              Originally posted by brakada
              Originally posted by factorg
              I don't buy that. These weapons would still be available to terrorists if Saddam was still in power. In fact he would probably be encouraging there use against the western world.
              I think Saddam was far too clever, selfish and paranoic to share his WMDs if he had any (I don't believe anything anyone says. I'm not saying that he didn't have them, I'm just leaving all the doors open :wink: ), while he was in power. The terrorist organisation, although sharing mutual hatred for the USA and it's allies (it's not like the terrorists hate the entire western civilisation... at least I hope so :wink, Saddam and most of the terrorist organisations (palestinian terrorists excluded) also hated themselves mutually, because of different religous, social and other aspects.
              No I'm pretty sure they DO hate the entire Western civilization. :?
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              You can't have manslaughter without laughter.

              "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."

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              • brakada
                Gold Gabber
                • Jun 2004
                • 622

                #8
                Originally posted by MJDub
                No I'm pretty sure they DO hate the entire Western civilization. :?
                Damn, and I had such high hopes of marrying one of Saddams daughters. She just fascinated me when I saw her on TV and I'm sure she must be "loaded".

                Well, I think it's not as bad as you think. IMO they hate the nations interfering in Arab countries, why would they hate everybody else?
                We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."

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                • MJDub
                  Are you Kidding me??
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 2765

                  #9
                  Originally posted by brakada
                  Originally posted by MJDub
                  No I'm pretty sure they DO hate the entire Western civilization. :?
                  Damn, and I had such high hopes of marrying one of Saddams daughters. She just fascinated me when I saw her on TV and I'm sure she must be "loaded".

                  Well, I think it's not as bad as you think. IMO they hate the nations interfering in Arab countries, why would they hate everybody else?
                  It's the way they are. :P
                  http://www.myspace.com/mjdubmusic

                  You can't have manslaughter without laughter.

                  "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."

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                  • brakada
                    Gold Gabber
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 622

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MJDub
                    It's the way they are. :P
                    Well this is a reasonable argument.

                    do you know why osama started hating the Americans?

                    After they were the greatest friends?

                    It wasn't alway like that. We have to thank the Bushes for that one. Father and son.
                    We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."

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                    • MJDub
                      Are you Kidding me??
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 2765

                      #11
                      Originally posted by brakada
                      Originally posted by MJDub
                      It's the way they are. :P
                      Well this is a reasonable argument.

                      do you know why osama started hating the Americans?

                      After they were the greatest friends?

                      It wasn't alway like that. We have to thank the Bushes for that one. Father and son.

                      The key is :P !!!!!!!!!! Joke there my man.
                      http://www.myspace.com/mjdubmusic

                      You can't have manslaughter without laughter.

                      "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."

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                      • brakada
                        Gold Gabber
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 622

                        #12
                        Originally posted by MJDub
                        The key is :P !!!!!!!!!! Joke there my man.
                        I knew that... No really, I did. well, I should have posted a few emoitcons myself...
                        We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."

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                        • Galapidate
                          Addiction started
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 366

                          #13
                          Whatever weapons Saddam may have had are probably in Syria or Iran right now.

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                          • Balanc3
                            Platinum Poster
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 1278

                            #14
                            exactly, so wouldn't it really suck if we end up in a war in Iran or Syria next... I mean Iran is prepaired and massing troops at the border with Iraq so the can enter the country once the U.S. leaves (their gonna have to wait till '06) and we armed them with the nuclear weapons which they could turn back on the U.S. or any of its allies.
                            JourneyDeep .into the sound

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                            • brakada
                              Gold Gabber
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 622

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Balanc3
                              and we armed them with the nuclear weapons which they could turn back on the U.S. or any of its allies.
                              RESPECT!

                              At least when the WMDs were in Iraq, everyone knew where they were.

                              We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."

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