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  • delirious
    Addiction started
    • Jun 2004
    • 288

    Kerry on the way to victory...

    Composed Kerry builds momentum
    Roy Eccleston, Missouri
    October 11, 2004



    ALTHOUGH both sides claimed victory, John Kerry again outpolled George W. Bush after a feisty clash over issues ranging from Iraq to abortion at a "town hall" style presidential debate in St Louis.

    Republicans claimed to have halted the Democratic challenger's recent momentum following an aggressive but controlled performance by Mr Bush, who ditched his scowling image from the first debate in Florida a week earlier.

    But after Senator Kerry's clear win in Florida, another composed and steady display saw two polls also score him ahead in Missouri at the weekend, although by finer margins.

    An ABC News poll gave the contest to Senator Kerry by 44 per cent to 41 per cent, while a Gallup poll found he won 47per cent to 45 per cent, but by a stronger margin among women and independent voters. Republicans are likely to be concerned that Mr Bush's return to form with his "regular guy" image ? and a better command of the issues ? were not enough to clearly win the debate.

    A focus group of Missouri uncommitted voters, interviewed by Washington pollster Frank Luntz, overwhelmingly gave the debate to the Democrat.

    "Step by step, John Kerry is removing the doubts and concerns of these uncommitted voters," Mr Luntz said.

    The implication is that Americans are becoming more comfortable with Senator Kerry, although Mr Bush still heads him on his ability to handle national security ? despite the Iraq Survey Group report last week showing Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction when the US invaded.

    Senator Kerry is seen as equally able to handle the economy. Employment growth in September ? albeit lower than forecast ? saw Mr Bush tell the audience in St Louis that he had created 1.9 million new jobs. Senator Kerry countered that Mr Bush would be the first president in 70 years to oversee an overall fall in the number of jobs in his term.

    The pair immediately headed to key swing states after the debate to ram home their best attack lines and portray themselves as winners ahead of a third clash on domestic issues in Phoenix, Arizona, on Thursday, Australian time.

    Mr Bush argued Senator Kerry was a liberal who could "run but not hide" from his record of tax increases and cuts to defence and intelligence budgets.

    The Massachusetts Democrat dismissed "labels", denied he was "wishy-washy" and said Mr Bush was attacking him with "weapons of mass deception".

    The President largely succeeded in banishing his sourpuss look of a week ago, although he began edgily.

    Senator Kerry was less emotional, but was just as much on the attack and several times directly addressed the President as if trying to goad him.

    Both men got in some good hits: Senator Kerry accused Mr Bush of adding more government debt than all the presidents from George Washington to Ronald Reagan combined.

    And on the war in Iraq, he charged: "Military's job is to win the war. President's job is to win the peace." Mr Bush, unable to contain himself at one point, jumped from his stool to override the moderator after Senator Kerry claimed the US was alone in Iraq.

    "You tell Tony Blair we're going alone," he seethed. "You tell Silvio Berlusconi."

    When Senator Kerry vowed he would not raise middle-class taxes, Mr Bush responded: "You cannot believe it. Of course he's going to raise your taxes. He's proposed $US2.2 trillion ($3 trillion) of new spending."

    An Associated Press poll on the state of the race has Senator Kerry leading 50-46, reversing Mr Bush's 52-45 lead two weeks before. But Mr Bush lost a six-point lead to be even at 45-45 in a Time magazine poll.
  • Balanc3
    Platinum Poster
    • Jun 2004
    • 1278

    #2
    Re: Kerry on the way to victory...

    Well Delirius as I said before I am working for Mr Soros and have been canvassing Florida, a *key battleground state since May. I can tell you from experience * going door to door, that this state is still 50/50... we don't know who is going to win it is too close to decide. Orlando is the only city that Kerry takes. Both Volusia and Brevard counties have been Bush- that is the space coast and areas between Orlando and Daytona. So I say your little article here is *cough* bullshit, just like most of the current polls. Just wait your ass 'till election day before making and assumptions. Until the first debate, Bush had dems scattered across the state, chasing strong democrats and undecided voters and praying for a miracle. I know because I was beside them and peeps from ACT, SEIU, LCV, Vote for Truth, etc. Lets just say since that debate the race has tightened, but thats it. It is neck to neck a plain and simple, and not just in Florida but the entire nation. ACT employees have been giving up in several states and are currently in Florida to help the cause because they need all the help they can get. In Florida we are going to see a repeat of what took place in the 2000 election. The issues we had with absentee ballots, early voting, and voting machines have already begun to be a problem AGAIN.

    Regardless I'm voting for Bush. After working with liberals *cough* progressives I know my place and we have a slight difference of opinion. It's pretty sad because the Dems are the only party utilizing the 527's created by McCain. And ACT, MOVEON, and LCV have hundreds of foot soldiers, each campaigning neighborhoods hard in every state while the Republicans DO NOT. When I said the Dems need all the help they can get, I meant it. You are most likely NOT going to see a Republican knocking at your door (while your having dinner) and voters/homeowners know this.. Dems have hundreds of people on the ground... Bush does not and yet this race is still so close. This election should be a landslide for Kerry with all the help he is getting. I canvass five days a week in addition to going to school. Since that first debate, the undecided voters are still undecided. You figure it out.
    JourneyDeep .into the sound

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    • LobsterClan
      Getting Somewhere
      • Aug 2004
      • 133

      #3
      Re: Kerry on the way to victory...

      You're telling me you've been going door-to-door all over Florida and have observed a 50/50 phenomena. Excuse me, but I seriously doubt this. Alachua County, and Gainesville in particular is extremely on the Kerry side. From all I have read and seen, the Cubans in Miami are increasingly turning to Kerry as well. Here in Tampa, things do seem to be pretty close, but I think with the rest of the country, Florida is finally starting to see the light and turn to Kerry.

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      • Balanc3
        Platinum Poster
        • Jun 2004
        • 1278

        #4
        Re: Kerry on the way to victory...

        I was working in Brevard today (Cocoa) and the stats were 57 percent Bush out of the 74 houses I canvassed. This does not included undecided, refused, and other (independent) voters. The rest of my van had similar stats. Where do you think the source Delirius used, got their statistics from? From the poll being produced by ACT and MOVEON.ORG each day when we canvass. And they are only targetting strong Democrats, undecided swing voters, and absolutely NO Republicans. However their data is not 100% accurate and some Bush's get thrown into the mix. Talk about biased.

        Shit Lobster there is an ACT office located in Tampa why don't you go work for them and find this out yourself. They pay well... why you think I'm still working with them.
        JourneyDeep .into the sound

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        • Balanc3
          Platinum Poster
          • Jun 2004
          • 1278

          #5
          Re: Kerry on the way to victory...

          And SE and SW Florida are still predominantly Republican. (From Sarasota to Naples and from Titusville to Ft. Lauderdale). Probably because of all the retired jerryatrics in those areas.
          JourneyDeep .into the sound

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          • LobsterClan
            Getting Somewhere
            • Aug 2004
            • 133

            #6
            Re: Kerry on the way to victory...

            A little more info please? You'll just be working this job up until election day, then, I take it? How well is well?

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            • Balanc3
              Platinum Poster
              • Jun 2004
              • 1278

              #7
              Re: Kerry on the way to victory...

              Yes we began in May and will be ending Nov. 2nd however you are mostly likely to get recruited for another paid campaign after this election if you work these next few weeks. They will have you working the next day if you get their local number in Tampa and call them.

              all the info you need is here:



              And you will love all the wonderful propaganda they will fill you full. Might feel right at home. (ps I know the tab says volunteer now, but it is paid unlike the League of Conservation Voters). It's paid for and operated by George Soros and Steve Rosenthal.

              Sure plenty of you have something to say about those two men. Kerry has $$$ money, lots and lots of money behind his campaign. More so than Bush and the Republicans had ever imagined. Kerry and the Dems will have bought this election if they are sucessful- this is their payback for 2000. Its fucking sick, and I'm sorry if you've already bought into it.

              I don't like the choices much either. In America there is no such thing as equal representation or freedom of choice, its a myth. This my friends was lost long ago in our two party system. Im tired of debate and sick of telling people how to vote, thats not my decision to make although I've been doing it for so long.. Vote for what you feel is right in November and don't let anyone else tell you any different. And fuck you very much MTV- for brainwashing the bright future of this country. .
              JourneyDeep .into the sound

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              • Balanc3
                Platinum Poster
                • Jun 2004
                • 1278

                #8
                Re: Kerry on the way to victory...

                More proof that you are just Delirius!

                [web:e1b7a44e13]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html[/web:e1b7a44e13]
                JourneyDeep .into the sound

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                • delirious
                  Addiction started
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 288

                  #9
                  Re: Kerry on the way to victory...

                  [quote="Balanc3";p="66921"]More proof that you are just Delirius!

                  And there I thought the electoral college determined the outcome!

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                  • asdf_admin
                    i use to be important
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 12798

                    #10
                    Re: Kerry on the way to victory...

                    you crazy fucks. what not just wait till the election day?

                    you know all this is bullshit anyhow?
                    dead, yet alive.

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