fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

[toasty]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

One more question: the legendary heat issue...what has been your experience with your macsbooks? Has it been bad enough to inconvenience you, or is this something they fixed after the first generation?

Mine gets warm, but not so much so that it's ever been an issue. I don't know what it was like before so I can't compare it to earlier reports, but it hasn't been a big deal as far as I'm concerned.

[FlashLight]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

Your decision really depends on what do you generally use your computer for? Or possibly, your location, too; as we all know that USA people like their product, so they buy Mac. Do you want to look great with Mac style, or have a nasty Lenovo machine which you dont want to show in public?

I was always more for the ugly computer with something in it, than some fancy computer with something in it, and I am still convinced that if you put same amount of cash in a PC, it has to work at least like an Mac. HPs have some issues right now, but i think there are new models on horizon which could improve overall notebook lifetime, so currently if you ask me, i would go for a Lenovo, if nothing else, just to try it out. hehe

cheers

oh, maybe this could help your decision somewhat:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=320&tag=nl.e622

[Jenks]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

I was always more for the ugly computer with something in it, than some fancy computer with something in it, and I am still convinced that if you put same amount of cash in a PC, it has to work at least like an Mac.

i used to think the same, and it just isn't true.

[toasty]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

Do you want to look great with Mac style, or have a nasty Lenovo machine which you dont want to show in public?

The great thing about modern Macs, though, is that you no longer have to sacrifice power (at least in terms of specs) for style. In the past, PCs always outpaced Macs in terms of raw power, but Macs made up for it by having an OS that ran so well. Nowadays, with Macs running on Intel architecture, you don't have to make that trade off.

[toasty]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

after my last post, I checked to see just how close they are now in terms of power, and I actually found a very recent Popular Mechanics article (May 2008 issue) that attempts to do an apples to apples comparison of PCs and Macs. You might want to check it out:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4258725.html

Here's the upshot:

The Verdict: Apple
Mac: In both the laptop and desktop showdowns, Apple’s computers were the winners. Oddly, the big difference didn’t come in our user ratings, where we expected the famously friendly Mac interface to shine. Our respondents liked the look and feel of both operating systems but had a slight preference toward OS X. In our speed trials, however, Leopard OS trounced Vista in all-important tasks such as boot-up, shutdown and program-launch times. We even tested Vista on the Macs using Apple’s platform-switching Boot Camp software—and found that both Apple computers ran Vista faster than our PCs did.

PC: Simply put, Vista proved to be a more sluggish operating system than Leopard. Our PCs installed some software faster, but in general they were slower in our time trials. Plus, both PCs showed weaker performance on third-party benchmarks than the Macs. Our biggest surprise, however, was that PCs were not the relative bargains we expected them to be. The Asus M51sr costs the same as a MacBook, while the Gateway One actually costs $300 more than an iMac. That means for the price of the Gateway you could buy an iMac, boost its hard drive to match the Gateway’s, purchase a copy of Vista to boot—and still save $100.

[FlashLight]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

yeah, i understand that, but Miroslav specified that he would never run Vista on the comp., so the question is again, how do the PCs with WinXP compare to Mac with OS X?

Its interesting that Macs beat PCs on their native OS, but i suppose thats primarily because of Vista, which is still an bottomless pit for resources.
BTW: Is it possible that PC makers dont completly test and optimize their configurations like Apple does? I always supposed that Macs are so expensive because of the specific installed hardware. Now with Intel chips, everything else is constructed on the same base. And of course, i must not forget to mention that in USA you can get Mac for at least 30% less than, for example, in Europe.

ahahaha, i just saw the numbers of test, Gateway is utterly humiliated. why do they even bother with producing that piece. Asus notebook isnt so bad except the battery duration. Yeah, with those tests in mind, Mac would definitely be a better choice.

[ddr]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

yeah, i understand that, but Miroslav specified that he would never run Vista on the comp., so the question is again, how do the PCs with WinXP compare to Mac with OS X?

Its interesting that Macs beat PCs on their native OS, but i suppose thats primarily because of Vista, which is still an bottomless pit for resources.
BTW: Is it possible that PC makers dont completly test and optimize their configurations like Apple does? I always supposed that Macs are so expensive because of the specific installed hardware. Now with Intel chips, everything else is constructed on the same base. And of course, i must not forget to mention that in USA you can get Mac for at least 30% less than, for example, in Europe.

ahahaha, i just saw the numbers of test, Gateway is utterly humiliated. why do they even bother with producing that piece. Asus notebook isnt so bad except the battery duration. Yeah, with those tests in mind, Mac would definitely be a better choice.

a Mac has an intel processor in it.. so its basically as good as any PC with similar specs... i would assume.

of course, Apple spends tons of time getting the components of their computers to work in sync with each other... while PC's put different things together and then u gotta worry about having the right drivers and shit for everything to work well.

the only difference being battery life, power usage, and look and feel.

[Kamal]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

I dont deny the argument at all that Macs are proving to be much better + reliable (albeit $$) compared to vista machines but as most have mentioned in this thread, it boils down to what you will use it for.

for my media center PC connected to my TV, I couldn't live with AppleTV or similar Mac based program simply because Vista's Media Center clearly has way more clientèle and some of these are even creating applications for it, which others can download and use. Their Media Center simply doesn't complete.

Even for my work related computer, I would much rather use a PC/Laptop simply because I am a software fiend and the tons of freeware available for Windows is way more beneficial for me than any software Mac can has to offer.

If I had the extra cash and just to surf the web, check email, write music, be a graphic designer, edit videos..... Macs are clearly ahead in the game

[FlashLight]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

well summarized, Kamal

[miketpoto]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

Kamal has never had a mac before... it's kind of hard to compare things when you haven't tried one of them

[Kamal]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

he's right, pls ignore my previous post.

[asdf_admin]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

Kamal does have a valid point. I too once was a Microsoft user. Growing up on these machines just made things second nature. Bios, Configs, upgrades, etc. I also invested countless hours to get mobo, cpu and memory to work. O gawd the suffering.

The move to Apple was really for piece of mind. I have learned in my mac conversion that there are actually a lot third party freeware. It is not as expansive as per say the PC world, but it is there. The nice thing is if I ever never ever need anything for Microsoft, I have the option to boot externally to Vista/XP. Dun Dun da.

[ddr]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

Kamal does have a valid point. I too once was a Microsoft user. Growing up on these machines just made things second nature. Bios, Configs, upgrades, etc. I also invested countless hours to get mobo, cpu and memory to work. O gawd the suffering.

The move to Apple was really for piece of mind. I have learned in my mac conversion that there are actually a lot third party freeware. It is not as expansive as per say the PC world, but it is there. The nice thing is if I ever never ever need anything for Microsoft, I have the option to boot externally to Vista/XP. Dun Dun da.

ive been on PC's my whole life.

got a macbook in july of last year and love it.

just ordered a new imac yesterday to make the full switch over to mac. CANNOT WAIT!

[pr0ficient]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

I bought a macbook pro about 2 months ago when my dell laptop bit the dust.

I had absolutely no compatibility troubles when switching my files from windows to mac. I couldn't imagine ever going back to windows. imo mac should really be the standard. It's truly better than windows in so many ways!

Finally got around to getting office mac for my laptop a week or two ago so I have no trouble using my mac for any school or work related content either!

[feather]

Re: fucking PC laptops...macbooks, here I come

Yeah there's actually a surprising wealth of software out there for the Mac, and the bulk of which are open source, or cheap shareware. The upside is they're all pretty well designed because Mac developers are more often than not, Mac users, and are used to the intuitive usability of the Mac OS.

Mac users always harp about the OS' usability and it's not something anyone can understand until they've used a Mac for at least a month. If you're playing with it in the shop, all you do is point and click with the mouse. But when you actually use it every day and especially for the geeks who love keyboard shortcuts, the Mac is completely intuitive once your fingers remember the key strokes. Stuff like Apple + Space for Spotlight, Ctrl + Space for Quicksilver, Ctrl + Arrow for Spaces, screen hotspots for Expose and Dashboard, shortcuts for screen captures, etc. Say I want to add a picture from a website as album art to my mp3 in iTunes. I click and drag the picture, move to my mouse to the hotspot for all windows, hover above iTunes, focus on the window, and drop the picture in. If I need to normalize a track, I select it in iTunes, Ctrl + Space + 'iv' to launch iVolume, and then Alt + Enter to begin normalizing. I don't even need to click around.


Also, Mac developers usually try to create their software for consistency with the rest of the OS, so you can usually trust keyboard shortcuts to work the same. Eg. Apple + F for fullscreen in iTunes, works in VLC player as well. It's these minor details that adds up to the user experience.