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  • subterFUSE
    Gold Gabber
    • Nov 2006
    • 850

    Why Hillary Won't Get Out

    By Dick Morris & Eileen McGann



    Published on May 8, 2008.

    Bill and Hillary Clinton have always believed that they’re very different than the rest of us. Over their more than 30 years in politics together, they’ve learned one important and consistent lesson: that rules don’t matter. Rules don’t apply to them. Rules are for other people. Rules can be bent, changed, manipulated.

    And that philosophy has worked very well for them.

    So it’s particularly ironic that they are now turning to the Democratic Party Rules Committee to try and steal the presidential nomination that Hillary has already definitively lost to Barack Obama in the popular vote, the delegate count, and the total number of states.

    Now she’ll try to get the Democratic bosses to rig it for her. If the rules don’t work, change them.

    Under the guise of justice and fair play, Hillary Clinton is, in effect, asking the Rules Committee to rule that the party’s rules should be ignored — the same rules that the Rules Committee enacted and that Hillary and all of the other democrats supported without dissent. But that was then and now is now.

    Hillary wants the Florida and Michigan votes to be seated, even though it would still make no difference in the outcome. She can’t win. After her embarrassing near loss in Indiana and her sound trouncing in North Carolina, Hillary Clinton is a fatally wounded candidate. She’s out of money, out of votes, and out of options.

    But she won’t give up. She’ll never go home until the day that Obama actually reached the magic number of delegates.

    Why?

    Because she and her husband both believe that she is entitled to the nomination, entitled to the presidency. So they’re waiting for the inevitable signal that it will, in fact, be hers.

    No matter that neither the voters nor the party leaders want her. No matter that she has to spend more than $11 million of her own money to keep her campaign afloat.

    According to the Clintons, the nomination should be hers. She’s earned it. She’s ready. She wants it. She and Bill are sure that she’d be a great candidate.

    So that’s why they’re waiting. Because there’s one other lesson they’ve both learned — that over time, anything can change. And they’re waiting for any break that time might bring.

    They’ve see it before. When they were worried about her criminal liability in the Whitewater mess, they held their ground. Eventually, as the years went on, Jim McDougal, the chief witness against them, died of a heart attack in prison. When the special prosecutor was after her for perjury, she learned how to delay and then get by off on a technicality. Lost in the dust were the allegations of Hillary’s perjury. Once more, time was kind to her.

    It was the same story during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. At first it seemed that Bill would be quickly thrown out of the White House, but two years later, although impeached, he was still incredibly popular. Time and patience had brought control of events back to the Clintons.

    When they left the White House in utter disgrace over their ethical lapses and greed, they were under attack from even the friendliest of liberal media. But years of keeping their heads low, working hard at getting along with people in the Senate, turning to charitable works (with a little help from George W. Bush) and helping the party regulars erased the sordid images. Memories of pardons sold for campaign and library contributions, their scoundrel lobbyist brothers, and the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of ‘gifts’ that were solicited from people who wanted favors from the White House disappeared. Once again, time healed all.

    Now, although seemingly out of time, they are still waiting. Something could happen to change things in just a minute.

    They’re patiently waiting for that minute.

    But beyond their belief in Hillary’s inalienable right to the nomination and Hillary’s inevitability, there are two more factors that are keeping her in.

    One is a combination of Hillary’s incredible stubbornness and Bill’s growing arrogance. They both believe that no one, absolutely no one tells them what to do. No one is going to force them – a former president and a senator — to do anything. So the more people tell them that Hillary should quit the race, the more determined they are that she should stay in.

    And finally, there seems to be an uncharacteristic absence of a reality base in Hillary’s thinking. Normally, she is a no-nonsense pragmatic politician who understand when she’s up and when she’s not. But lately she seems to ignore everything that’s in front of her except the supportive cheering of the partisan crowds and the certitude of Bill Clinton.

    The proof of this is that she has lent a total of $11.6 million to her campaign. The Clintons are not people who part with a dime very easily. For them to fork over that much money to a failing campaign already in deep debt is the clearest statement that they are out of touch. Even after she won Pennsylvania — by only 12 delegates — there was no mathematical way for her to win the nomination. But she then poured another $6.4 million into the campaign coffers.

    The Clintons are still waiting for a miracle that isn’t going to happen. They’re hoping that over time something big will derail Obama (no doubt they’re still frantically looking for that something).

    And they’re stubbornly refusing to go home. And they’re desperately hoping to make sure the rules don’t count for them.

    When the reality becomes unavoidable and it is clear that Hillary has to concede the nomination in 2008. Well, there’s always 2012 or 2016 or 2020 or …

    These folks aren’t going away.
  • toasty
    Sir Toastiness
    • Jun 2004
    • 6585

    #2
    Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

    Since Hillary is so concerned about the people of Florida and Michigan above all else, I'd like to propose a compromise -- Florida and Michigan are seated as is, with the condition that the superdelegates that support her agree to support Obama's nomination. She's so selfless, I'm sure she'd go for that for the benefit of the fine people of Florida and Michigan, right?

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    • CactusBeats
      Addiction started
      • Mar 2008
      • 490

      #3
      Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

      I would like to ask Hillary, "If you led Obama right now by the same amount he leads you, of course you would still like to see Michigan and Florida seated - correct? Because its not about who's ahead. It's about the imporatance of representation of Democratic voters in FL & MI - correct? " I would like to see her squirm a little. Of course that might require a conscience so squirming might be out of the question. A quick dismissal is more likely.
      I like your Christ.
      I do not like your Christians.
      Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

      Mahatma Gandhi

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      • ddr
        DUDERZ get a life!!!
        • Jun 2004
        • 7006

        #4
        Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

        the fact is that Obama has a lot more of a chance to win again McCain than Hilary does.

        IF, and that is a big IF, Hilary does in fact win the nomination... i seriously do not think she will win the presidency.

        She should take the bullet and get the f out of this race for the greater good, her Party.
        "pics or stfu" - R.I.P. Steve "Jibgolly" James

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        • superdave
          Platinum Poster
          • Jun 2004
          • 1366

          #5
          Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

          Originally posted by CactusBeats
          I would like to ask Hillary, "If you led Obama right now by the same amount he leads you, of course you would still like to see Michigan and Florida seated - correct? Because its not about who's ahead. It's about the imporatance of representation of Democratic voters in FL & MI - correct? " I would like to see her squirm a little. Of course that might require a conscience so squirming might be out of the question. A quick dismissal is more likely.
          Hillary would be singing a totally different story if her and Obama's places were switched. She'd be demanding Obama drop out and that he's ruining the party's chances in the general election. She could give a damn about Florida or Michigan only they serve her power hungry purposes.
          Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake - Napoleon Bonaparte

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          • runningman
            Playa I'm a Sooth Saya
            • Jun 2004
            • 5995

            #6
            Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

            Man they sure are setting Hillary up to be President.. As it looks right now the only person who believes she can win is Hillary. What a great story for a president. They sure are laying it on thick. Obama doesn't stand a chance IMO.. I see him as the VP.

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            • CactusBeats
              Addiction started
              • Mar 2008
              • 490

              #7
              Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

              Originally posted by superdave
              She could give a damn about Florida or Michigan only they serve her power hungry purposes.
              Exactly! And I would like to expose her (or at least see the look on her face) by asking this question. Why can't the media ask questions like this?

              In this case if she wouldn't answer, or if I were a moderator at a debate and a candidate didn't answer my question, I wouldn't re-ask it or say, "Errr, well you really didn't answer my question." I would ask them, "WHY won't you answer my question??" Yes, maybe it's a but combative, but I think it's also appropriate when the candidate avoids answering.
              I like your Christ.
              I do not like your Christians.
              Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

              Mahatma Gandhi

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              • Lorn
                Looking for a title!
                • Sep 2004
                • 5826

                #8
                Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

                Originally posted by ddr

                She should take the bullet and get the f out of this race for the greater good, her Party.

                She has no loyalty to any party.

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                • Huggie Smiles
                  Anyone have Styx livesets?
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 11836

                  #9
                  Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

                  ....Freak in the morning, Freak in the evening, aint no other Freak like me thats breathing....




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                  • toasty
                    Sir Toastiness
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 6585

                    #10
                    Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

                    ^^good stuff!

                    Did anyone else notice that John Edwards got 7% of the vote in West Virginia last night? Do the people of West Virginia still believe he's running, or are they just that hell-bent on voting for a white guy that they are willing to throw away a vote to him in protest to Clinton and Obama?

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                    • Kamal
                      Administrator
                      • May 2002
                      • 28835

                      #11
                      Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

                      www.mjwebhosting.com

                      Jib says:
                      he isnt worth the water that splashes up into your asshole while you're shitting
                      Originally posted by ace_dl
                      Guys and Gals, I have to hurry/leaving for short-term vacations.
                      I won't be back until next Tuesday, so if Get Carter is the correct answer, I would appreciate of someone else posts a new cap for me

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                      • Kamal
                        Administrator
                        • May 2002
                        • 28835

                        #12
                        Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out



                        sorry for ruining the thread I'll return to the nonsense section asap
                        www.mjwebhosting.com

                        Jib says:
                        he isnt worth the water that splashes up into your asshole while you're shitting
                        Originally posted by ace_dl
                        Guys and Gals, I have to hurry/leaving for short-term vacations.
                        I won't be back until next Tuesday, so if Get Carter is the correct answer, I would appreciate of someone else posts a new cap for me

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                        • Huggie Smiles
                          Anyone have Styx livesets?
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 11836

                          #13
                          Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

                          should we just open one thread in politics for "politicial comedy' or something.

                          and save the proper discuss/debate/slandering for the rest of politics?
                          ....Freak in the morning, Freak in the evening, aint no other Freak like me thats breathing....




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                          • Kamal
                            Administrator
                            • May 2002
                            • 28835

                            #14
                            Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

                            no
                            www.mjwebhosting.com

                            Jib says:
                            he isnt worth the water that splashes up into your asshole while you're shitting
                            Originally posted by ace_dl
                            Guys and Gals, I have to hurry/leaving for short-term vacations.
                            I won't be back until next Tuesday, so if Get Carter is the correct answer, I would appreciate of someone else posts a new cap for me

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                            • Huggie Smiles
                              Anyone have Styx livesets?
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 11836

                              #15
                              Re: Why Hillary Won't Get Out

                              well thats that then
                              ....Freak in the morning, Freak in the evening, aint no other Freak like me thats breathing....




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