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I don't think I would count myself as a supporter of the war, but I am also not against it per se. But I am a supporter of the troops and I am on their side, whatever their reasons for joining the forces might be.
That being said, I was not aware that al-Qaeda's involvement in the 9/11 attacks was even questioned. I've heard all the conspiracy theories and seen the videos but I didnt think that bin laden's involvement was disputable.
You, and your colleagues, have my utmost respect for what you are doing.
Those voices here who are so blinded that they are unaware of real situation with regards to the battle between Islamic Fundamentalist rhetoric and the west, are the same voices who condemn the west for causing 9/11, Bali, Spain, 7/7 and over 12,000 other attacks by said fundamentalists.
When you and your colleagues put yourselves on the line, whether it be in building schools, clearing mines, staffing medical centres, please remember that there are many many people who, while we would prefer you didn't have to be there, are grateful to you for helping to bring hope back to communities that have been entirely subjugated by the theocratic doctrines of a small bunch of gun welding homicidal lunatics hiding behind the cloth of religion.
Much respect.
David
I honestly laugh at that...you are Israeli and I am Serbian.
My fellow country man have quite possibly an equal if not greater level of hate for all Muslims (as Serbia was under Ottoman rule for 500 years and we just lost our "holy land" to our Muslim neighbor and the radical Muslims they have spawned - our monuments and our heritage are being destroyed everyday while Serbians living there fear for their safety)...I just don't tend to agree with peoples prejudices and think that I should judge each case independently rather than dismissing all Muslims as radical Islamists.
IMO you should try and keep a level of objectivity about all issues rather than allowing your personal feelings to get involved
p.s. the US probably funded and trained more Islamic terrorists than Iraq or Al-Quaida put together
TheIdiotsAREWinning.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
Mark Twain
I agree with you man. There is a shitload I don't agree with that the American government has done, trust me. I am also not a supporter of Bush. I'll also admit that i don't have this proof on my thumbdrive that shows the video. Can you prove that the video was totally suspect?
That's the problam hambino. Your justification for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was and is still is based on lies.
Yet for some reason you continue to spew the lies and bullshit propaganda which have gotten your country and mine involved in one of the most disgraceful acts of aggression in recent times.
It's over dude. The so called "war on terrorism" was lost the moment it was declared.
Support the troops is to bring them home and out of harms way.
Don't let your government turn you into a monster.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
well, I guess we can just change the name of this thread from "support the troops" to "bash the troops"
I don't think anyone is bashing the troops. As sad as it is, troops do as they are told.
“Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” - (Henry Kissinger)
The real criminals are the policy makers/war profiteers and they are the ones that should be locked away or face the firing squad, either will suit me fine.
America is armed to the teeth with the most evil of weapons ever designed for the soul purpose of killing fellow humans. And it shits me to tears having to hear that it's all for America's security.
No country will ever invade America, to do so would mean instant annihilation. America will only be defeated from the inside.
And this alone leads me to believe that "war" in the USA is just business.
Sure money is good, but to profit at the expense of another human beings suffering is immoral.
Millions all over the world would now describe the USA as a morally bankrupt society.
Don't blame me, blame your leaders.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
It was a mixture of nationalities, but who claimed it??? That would be Osama.
No he didn't. Please stop with the bullshit.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
(a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
– Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2
But as long as you're safe and sound in your free country, you can make statements like that.
Just remember,
You are not killing in my name. Get that right.
You are killing thousands of innocent men, woman and children for the profits of big corporation and your criminal leaders.
Support the troops = bring them home.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
it IS incredible isn't it??
STILL pumpin out great set after great set...never cheesed out, never sold out, never lost his touch..
Simply does not get any better than Hernan
seems like we got alot of assholes on this board i wasnt aware of. hambino most of us here in america support you 100%. what you are doing, most folks on this board wouldnt last one day. i have about had it with everyone bashing the us. its amazing how all the european countries forget what we did for them in previous wars
seems like we got alot of assholes on this board i wasnt aware of. hambino most of us here in america support you 100%. what you are doing, most folks on this board wouldnt last one day. i have about had it with everyone bashing the us. its amazing how all the european countries forget what we did for them in previous wars
LOL x 1000
read a book
TheIdiotsAREWinning.
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect."
Mark Twain
seems like we got alot of assholes on this board i wasnt aware of. hambino most of us here in america support you 100%. what you are doing, most folks on this board wouldnt last one day. i have about had it with everyone bashing the us. its amazing how all the european countries forget what we did for them in previous wars
Dude It's not about bashing the US, it's about warning/concern for her.
If your friend is really and I mean really drunk, do you tell him to drive or catch a cab?
Your country used to be the beacon of freedom/justice/equality through the eyes of the world. Now it is pittied.
The US is being torn apart from the inside by retarded/phycopaths that are running your country.
You have no one to blame but yourselves.
So grab a tissue, wipe your eyes and do something about the criminals and unpatriotic/anti american/s that you have running your country.
Your country has been taken over by criminals.
I don't know much about Keith Olberman, but he does say it best.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
You are killing thousands of innocent men, woman and children for the profits of big corporation and your criminal leaders.
Support the troops = bring them home.
Are you trying ot say that the Taliban represents all Muslims??? Iahve no prblem with Muslims, as a matter of fact I live with some Egyptian Muslims right now Theri compound is joined with mine., But here is the difference, they aren't killing people for the sake of their religion, and their women seem happy because they aren't wearing burkkas and aren't being oppressed just because they are females. like they would be under Taliban rule. So don't pull the " its becasue they are Muslim" bullcrap, that would be the Jesse Jackson approach. please.
Get this right. THE TALIBAN IS NOT INNOCENT, to think so is delirium. Plus let me Tally up how many peol I have killed.....hmmmm. oh yeah , none. If you actually knew what was going on here you would know that these men, women, and children are being helped by the coalition, not killed. But see you're basing your statements on hear say. Nuff said. You talk about me being a fool for Propoganda, take a look at yourself. At least ihave seen this place with my own eyes. Not through a TV or magazine.
" Focus on the subtleties and the world becomes grander"
Are you trying ot say that the Taliban represents all Muslims???
No and nor am I as you stated earlier a "Taliban sympathizer".
Neither is correct, hence my
You talk about me being a fool for Propoganda, take a look at yourself. At least ihave seen this place with my own eyes. Not through a TV or magazine.
Where have I stated you being a fool?
What I have stated is the obvious and that is the US army has not been dispatched overseas to bring about love and peace.
Your government are a bunch of liars/criminals, blame them for lying to you and the world.
Blame them for the thousands of US serviceman killed and injured.
Blame them for the suicides that are being committed by returned marines.
Blame them for putting you in harms way.
Blame them for turning your country into shit.
I am getting my info from US soldiers who have served/witnessd been a part of these criminal acts.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
― Marcus Tullius Cicero
No and nor am I as you stated earlier a "Taliban sympathizer".
Neither is correct, hence my
Where have I stated you being a fool?
What I have stated is the obvious and that is the US army has not been dispatched overseas to bring about love and peace.
Your government are a bunch of liars/criminals, blame them for lying to you and the world.
Blame them for the thousands of US serviceman killed and injured.
Blame them for the suicides that are being committed by returned marines.
Blame them for putting you in harms way.
Blame them for turning your country into shit.
I am getting my info from US soldiers who have served/witnessd been a part of these criminal acts.
I hear what you're saying man. Noones country is perfect. Like I said before though, Nobody ever rememebrs when the US helps people( which is 10x more than any other country) All people ever do is point out the negative. I serve on behalf of the positive. I have a brain, I think for myself, trust me I don't agree with everything my country does. we get in these arguments all the time at work. We aren't all cowboys out killing people. We agree to disagree half the time But rememeber your government is invloved in this also. I've hung out with some Aussies and Kiwi's since I have been over here. They would probably take offense to people saying the thinga that you guys have said about Service memebers also. They aren't ignorant or brainwashed either. There is no point in arguing about this, especialy because you guys have totally twisted the title of this thread. You guys always seem to be prowling around the site waiting to pounce on these types of threads so you can speak your mind and feel better about yourself. or whatever. thats fine, but your agenda has take away from the idea that this thread is about. as it usually does. I don't typically get invloved inthese political fiascos, but this one kind of hit home. Believe what you want, and I will believe what i want want. There's no point in trying to change each others thought process. You can keep insulting people and what not, its not going to have an effect on anything. i just hope for your sake that you're right, because if these radicals get there way life as we know it will be close to unliveable. But what do I know, I am totally spoon fed evrything I have said and I can't think for myself.
Back to the thread title. You don't have to support the war, or the troops. Just don't insult them for what they do. They aren't idiots (well at least most of them aren't) As much as you holier than though types like to deny it, they are just like you, trying to make a living. The aren't all poor , or crazed lunatics with guns either. They made personal choice, something they believe in. To belittle them for this decision is tastless on oyur part. But thats your right.
" Focus on the subtleties and the world becomes grander"
For the ones who are supportive, the servicemembers appreciate this gesture. They don't seek it by any means, they are just doing a job. When the people of our country are supportive of us it means a lot. It sucks being put somewher in the middle of nowhere, for 6-15 months at a time. the ultimate payoff is seeing the progress.
See these people who protest are the same who would have been protesting during the conflict i Kosovo, but if you would have been at the same Kosovo independence day celebration that i was at out here.( alot of the contractor are Albanian) you would see how happy these people are that the coaliton and US stepped in to allow this to happen. I heard USA USA USA over and over and over by all of these Albanians. But everyone knows how evil the united states is, and what was done in Kosovo was a crime committed by the States. This should have never happened they had no right to do so blah blah blah whatever...( or at least thats what they would have been saying at the time)
Back on track. the support is appreciated, and as jacked up as our government is, I still love my country ( even though it is shit according to some people) hope this conflict's positive outcome is what makes news( but I know better than that)
" Focus on the subtleties and the world becomes grander"
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