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  • ddr
    DUDERZ get a life!!!
    • Jun 2004
    • 7006
    #1

    Obama-Clinton?

    curious to see how everyone thinks about this...

    my mom brought up an interesting point... hilary wants the presidency so much, that everyone can see... so what is to stop the clinton hardcores to kill off obama... then shes in as president.

    i know that is pretty extreme.. but there have been worse conspiracies n shit in the US government in the past.
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    • day_for_night
      Are you Kidding me??
      • Jun 2004
      • 4127
      #2
      Re: Obama-Clinton?

      i really don't see it happening. she has said and done too much to ever be on his ticket. thank god.

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        • toasty
          Sir Toastiness
          • Jun 2004
          • 6585
          #3
          Re: Obama-Clinton?

          Originally posted by ddr
          curious to see how everyone thinks about this...

          my mom brought up an interesting point... hilary wants the presidency so much, that everyone can see... so what is to stop the clinton hardcores to kill off obama... then shes in as president.

          i know that is pretty extreme.. but there have been worse conspiracies n shit in the US government in the past.
          As much as I dislike Hillary, it is hard for me to take seriously the possibility that Clinton could have a hand in having him assassinated.

          Unfortunately, though, there are a lot of whackjobs in this world, and the threat that he faces is probably enhanced as opposed to white candidates.

          ...and by virtue of her comment about Bobby Kennedy, if anything does happen to Obama, particularly before the election, people will always wonder if she had a role in it. It's really telling about what people think of Clinton that they would even ask whether she had another human being killed to aid her rise to power, but I kinda feel like she brought it on herself.

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            • dig72
              Gold Gabber
              • Nov 2004
              • 882
              #4
              Re: Obama-Clinton?

              Obama should be shot for even consider having Clinton as VP.

              She is a nasty piece of work and insiders have said that personally, Clinton doesn't like Obama.

              Imo, Clinton would completely undermine his efforts and do everything to bring about his undoing.

              Obama's wife seems an intelligent woman and would advise her husband to stay away from her.
              “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
              ― Marcus Tullius Cicero

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                • toasty
                  Sir Toastiness
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 6585
                  #5
                  Re: Obama-Clinton?

                  Originally posted by dig72

                  Obama's wife seems an intelligent woman and would advise her husband to stay away from her.
                  I actually remember a story from a few months ago where Michelle did in fact put the k-bash on Clinton as VP.

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                    • subterFUSE
                      Gold Gabber
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 850
                      #6
                      Re: Obama-Clinton?

                      WHAT'S UP HILLARY'S SLEEVE?

                      By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

                      Published on June 6, 2008.


                      Why won’t Hillary just concede that she has lost and pull out of the race? Why does she persist in keeping her delegates in line for her and not releasing them to Obama? Why does she feign party unity while, in fact, undermining it?

                      The Clintons never do anything without a lot of thinking and planning. There is no benign explanation for her maneuvers. They have several options that they are deliberately keeping open by their increasingly awkward positioning. Here’s what they’re up to:

                      1. The Obama Stumbles Option

                      As Hillary says, June is “early” in politics when the convention is not to be held until the end of August, unusually late for a Democratic conclave. And, as Tip O’Neill says “a week is a long time in politics.” So is three months.

                      Rumors abound about incriminating material on Obama, the potential for misstep is amplified now that he adjusts to a new task of taking on McCain, who knows how many other preachers there are in the closet? Hillary’s skilled force of private detectives, who we once called the secret police, are doubtless diving into garbage dumpsters all over America to come up with whatever they can.

                      Hillary wants to be there to exploit any mistakes. She will be watching and waiting. Suppose Obama flubs a line on the campaign trail or damaging material emerges from the Rezko prosecution? Hillary will indicate her continued availability as an alternative. Remember that superdelegates can change their minds anytime they want to. Now they are leaving Hillary to back Obama, the winner, but they could easily go the other way. By not releasing her pledged delegates, she remains within striking distance of the nomination if an Obama faux pas leads to an exodus of superdelegates from his camp.

                      2. Hillary for VP

                      By remaining a force at the convention, Hillary might be in a position to bail out a faltering Obama campaign by going on the ticket. There is no love lost between the two candidates. Hillary knows that Obama will not choose her voluntarily as his running mate. But if Obama falters, he might just need the shot in the arm Hillary would represent. By remaining in the shadows as a potential threat to wrest away the nomination, she might leverage her position to make Obama put her on the ticket.

                      She wants to be VP in case Obama loses so she can be positioned for 2012 and in case he wins so she can shoot for the stars in 2016. And, she doesn’t want anyone else to have the job so as not to create a potential rival.

                      3. The I Told You So Option

                      By remaining viable and keeping her delegates, Hillary stays in play through the convention. Her aides and associates can be counted on to dump on Obama subtly and, often, anonymously, as he moves forward. If Obama loses the election, and did not take her on his ticket, she can run as the “I told you so” candidate in 2012, much as Ronald Reagan capitalized on Gerald Ford’s defeat in 1976, after Reagan had unsuccessfully sought the nomination, to bolster his credentials in 1980.

                      4. Paying Off Her Debts

                      By staying, at least partially, in the game, Hillary can continue to raise money and pay off her debts. And she can hold out a bargaining position to force Obama to do more and more to help her to raise money. Debts to her vendors are one thing. She can always raise funds to pay them off in the future. But the election law makes it illegal for her to pay herself back any sum above $250,000 after the Democratic Convention. Since she has lent her campaign at least $11 million, she wants to get as much of it back as possible before the convention deadline.

                      Hillary may set her candidacy aside for the moment. But her fortunes will continue to rise and fall inversely with Obama’s. Should he hit a rough patch, Hillary’s numbers are bound to improve, strengthening her bargaining position for funds or for the VP slot or, possibly giving her enough momentum to reopen the contest.

                      That’s her game.

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                        • MJDub
                          Are you Kidding me??
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 2765
                          #7
                          Re: Obama-Clinton?

                          Jim Webb, Wesley Clark, Bill Richardson. 3 upstanding individuals there that he could pick. No Hillary please.
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                          You can't have manslaughter without laughter.

                          "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."

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                            • 88Mariner
                              My dick is smaller
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 7128
                              #8
                              Re: Obama-Clinton?

                              i'll reiterate that Webb or Biden should be tapped. Anyone else seems to pull away from the moderate bloc.
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                                • MJDub
                                  Are you Kidding me??
                                  • Jun 2004
                                  • 2765
                                  #9
                                  Re: Obama-Clinton?

                                  Ah yes I forgot about Joe Biden. He cracks me the fuck up with his bluntness.
                                  http://www.myspace.com/mjdubmusic

                                  You can't have manslaughter without laughter.

                                  "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."

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                                    • toasty
                                      Sir Toastiness
                                      • Jun 2004
                                      • 6585
                                      #10
                                      Re: Obama-Clinton?

                                      I really like Joe Biden. Really sharp dude, great credentials, and as others have pointed out, doesn't mince words (although he has been known to foul them up on occasion). The biggest problem with Biden, and why I kinda doubt he'll get the nod, is that he very much represents "old Washington" and is therefore somewhat inconsistent with Obama's message.

                                      How about Secretary of State Biden?

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                                        • MJDub
                                          Are you Kidding me??
                                          • Jun 2004
                                          • 2765
                                          #11
                                          Re: Obama-Clinton?

                                          Originally posted by toasty
                                          How about Secretary of State Biden?
                                          +1
                                          http://www.myspace.com/mjdubmusic

                                          You can't have manslaughter without laughter.

                                          "Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."

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