Department of Irony, Pt II

[toasty]

Re: Department of Irony, Pt II

Kinda like Al Gore living in a huge mansion using more electricity than 17 normal homes?

Something like that, yeah...

or barak obama saying he is for change while actually being party line?

The "change" that Obama speaks of is not a change from neo-conservatism to liberalism or Rep. to Dem. Hillary Clinton would have been a change in that respect, but she didn't offer any meaningful change from the way things are done. After Bush and his cronyism and positively opaque administration, Obama offers a change in the way business is conducted in DC, with increased transparency, frank discussion, and a less adversarial mindset. I know I sound like an Obamabot, but it's true.

[thesightless]

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Obama offers a change in the way business is conducted in DC, with increased transparency, frank discussion, and a less adversarial mindset. I know I sound like an Obamabot, but it's true.

you do, and he doesnt. you think so because you are a fan. im not a fan of either and see right through it. james. every single iota of evidence points to a voting record IDENTICAL to his former opponent. its like a criminal denying the crime on the court house steps even though it is on video, there are multiple DNA matches, and a written statement from him.

[toasty]

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you do, and he doesnt. you think so because you are a fan. im not a fan of either and see right through it. james. every single iota of evidence points to a voting record IDENTICAL to his former opponent. its like a criminal denying the crime on the court house steps even though it is on video, there are multiple DNA matches, and a written statement from him.

You think voting record is the most important thing, I think it is way down the list, secondard to legislation authored, sponsored, and governing philosophy. See my post in that other thread we've got going.

[thesightless]

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legislation authored is a great thing to go by, but a lot of it is done by more than one person from all parties.

voting record IMO, is the most important because actions accomplished are a viable, concrete track record. along the lines of "do what i do , not what i say"

i judge people by their actions. saying you are pro gay marriage isnt the same when you vote against it (mccain, unless he truly polled every person in his constituency and they came back anti gay marriage.)

the only thing barak has above the rest (IMO) is that he didnt vote for the war, and that is only because he wasnt there. kucinich is the only one who can lay that claim.

[toasty]

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voting record IMO, is the most important because actions accomplished are a viable, concrete track record. along the lines of "do what i do , not what i say"

Yeah, but what do those votes mean? Very little, IMO. It's like those absurd attack ads that use votes to cast people in a false light. Example, from 2004:

John Kerry voted against giving body armor to our troops, or for new tanks and artillery.

Well, OK he did vote against a bill that provided for those things, but that's because he voted for a different bill that also provided for them instead. It's madness, and it's meaningless. Not unlike statistics, you can use those votes to tell whatever story you like.

Obama preaches transparency, and he and Sen. Coburn, who is about as hardline a Republican as you'll find, coauthored and got passed the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006. Obama also believes in nuclear non-proliferation, and he and Republican Dick Lugar coauthored and passed legislation devoted to that as well. I find information like that far more meaningful than knowing what he voted on X piece of legislation without knowing any of the context of the vote (i.e., was this bill the result of negotiations, was it part of a package deal, etc.).

[thesightless]

Re: Department of Irony, Pt II

hey!!!

i didnt trype that ! dont quote me to things i didnt say.

[toasty]

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hey!!!

i didnt trype that ! dont quote me to things i didnt say.

What in the world are you talking about?