Progressive [House] Music: Status

[Miroslav]

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My particular scene has no progressive, techno, minimal, or anything else remotely good so that doesn't say much... But based on my broader experience, I would absolutely echo what others have said. It's no secret that prog went out a while back. It's obvious to that even Sasha and Digweed are not playing the way they used to, which most people I talk to seem to associate with the classic "progressive" sound. They're clearly playing music from producers who have in various ways hybridized traditional prog with minimal styles. You can really hear it in the beats - you've got all those slower-tempo clipped snares and hats now...I throw on some old prog records and am surprised by how much softer and more "house-like" those long-decay hi-hats inbetween the beats used to be... I know many people wish it was 1992 again, but I personally dig it now love my minimal, too

i think its all about image and the current trends, i remember some years ago, Progressive was the style that used to be "mainstream", and before that, Trance was the style of choice, right now its all about the minimal, just give it some time and minimal is gonna be debunked by another genre thats gonna be setting new trends.

bingo. this is exactly how it goes.

In fact, if you hang around the minimal scene, you'll already likely have seen various levels of the backlash taking place - how people are getting sick of the flood of really quirky, syncopated copy-cat crap that is coming out now, how the DJ sets oftentimes come out flat and boring, how the parties are too obnoxious, etc... when I went to WMC three years ago, my friends and I were just blown away by the incredible drive, inventiveness, and groove of many of the "minimal" DJs then - it was so much better to party to than that old, predictable prog sound. Now, most of my friends who used to love that minimal sound are saying that it's not what it was and that they're sick of what they hear now...

but the really good music is always timeless and never really disappears

[ganjamo]

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Cj Tari, you are right buddy, its just a trend.

[feather]

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I think we all know it's a trend, but what's worrying is how prevalent or pervasive the trend is. Back then prog always had a place and its sound despite the trance and r&b incursion. There were so many prog DJs playing their own tunes and mixing it up their own way, and their music were all distinctively prog.

With the current trend, everything sounds THE SAME. I might listen to a set and really get into it, remember one or two tracks, and they're all forgotten cos the next set I listen to, sounds the similar anyway.

What a lot of the boring and shitty minimal is lacking are elements that make them stand out in their own right, like the classics we had. Xpander, Heaven Scent, For an angel, Little Bullet, they all had signatures and the moment you hear them being mixed in, you know. It takes me forever to ID a miminal track, more like, yeah I've heard this before, but it sounds like so many other tracks I've heard recently

[chuckc]

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I would rather quit djing than change my style of music...
Hell yea, I was born Progressive and I will die Progressive!!!

so happy to hear you say that.....

I am hoping that this sound will make a big come back but sure seems like a long shot.

much thanks to shiva, knr, garica, ect for keeping this music alive for us diehard progheads

[Steve Graham]

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Cj Tari, you are right buddy, its just a trend.

too simple of an answer mate.. whats just a trend? I mean too many people just blindly follow "the thing to do".. and dj's lose support for not following the latest trend, but then again they get slagged off if they do go with the latest thing to keep getting gigs.. myself.. i have too much artist integrity to play shit i would never normally play just to play big venues or to massive crowds.. because at the end of the day if you are in this just for the noteriety or the money and your heart isnt in it.. then you are in it for the wrong reason

everything on this planet is cylicer... from music to fashion to art to movies.. there are no original ideas

[AntonyM]

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^ No Doubt, prog will be refomulated, emerging in a new hybrid,
What would catagorized the mind melting peak time tracks Digweed has been playing, techno, prog. Maybe there might be a lack of DJ's really taking the time to program their sets with a feeling a meaning that builds throughout the night, yet some DJ's might feel that the audiences do not get it and just go with what works for the moment. Personally, if the crowd does not help motivate, cheer on, let the DJ know they are taking the sound in the right direction, the night is gonna suck. As for prog, there are plenty of DJ spinning some form of that sound usually mixed in with a bunch of other influences.

[Cj Tari]

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the thing is that back when there was shitloads of prog dj's there used to be minimal too, but it wasnt as popular as it is right now, and a lot of those dj's just keept on playing what they liked, for instance Carl Craig, whos always been in the minimal techno scene, and yet hes one of those that never tried playing any of the genres that were trend setting at the moment.

right now, we have the same, we have minimal being the trend to follow, yet, we still find a lot of dj's playing their house, or their progressive.

Trends are always gonna be around, good dj's are always gonna be around, but from trend to trend thats when the good dj's are stand out, playing what they love and not what a trend dictates.

[Steve Graham]

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Trends are always gonna be around, good dj's are always gonna be around, but from trend to trend thats when the good dj's are stand out, playing what they love and not what a trend dictates.

exactly!

[Jibgolly]

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can't all the music that has been debated in this thread be classified as "progressive" in one form or another?

did not music progress from:

vocal house

to big vocal trance

to progressive house

to tech house

to electro

to minimal


is this not progression in the eyes of the average listener?

to me it is.

"progressive" is a term too often associated with a certain sounding beat.

don't get me wrong you all know i love the old school bizzniss. but being the true progressor that i am, i fully embrace what music has progressed in to, whether it be some disgusting bass-ridden tek prog, or some driving chunky minimal with melodic elements buried within it. the music we love so dearly is going to keep changing, and as far as i'm concerned that is the very definition of "progressive"

this music is going to evolve and grow, and expand, and regress, and progress, and after that it's going to do it all over again. i can't even begin to imagine what our beats are going to sound like in another 5 years.

[ganjamo]

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too simple of an answer mate.. whats just a trend? I mean too many people just blindly follow "the thing to do".. and dj's lose support for not following the latest trend, but then again they get slagged off if they do go with the latest thing to keep getting gigs.. myself.. i have too much artist integrity to play shit i would never normally play just to play big venues or to massive crowds.. because at the end of the day if you are in this just for the noteriety or the money and your heart isnt in it.. then you are in it for the wrong reason

everything on this planet is cylicer... from music to fashion to art to movies.. there are no original ideas

I meant that its the current "mainstream" electronic music like trance was back in the day.
The main problem i think is that right now money is the thing that guides the club owners who to book and who not to. So it just depends if you wanna make a living out of it and be like the spice girls or follow what you like and be like some underground metal band that doesnt get booked that much but enjoys what they play.

Im also a proggy guy but i enjoy also the minimal sounds, so i try to mix a little bit of both which sounds really good imo.

cool thread btw.

[Steve Graham]

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^^ i see what you mean mate, and yes, very good discussion

[DIDI]

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i think its all about image and the current trends, i remember some years ago, Progressive was the style that used to be "mainstream", and before that, Trance was the style of choice, right now its all about the minimal, just give it some time and minimal is gonna be debunked by another genre thats gonna be setting new trends.

I remember some time ago, since im not that fond of progressive, i used to complaint a lot on how everything was related to progressive, i remember how all events that would be booked here in town had to do with progressive djs, so i always had a hard time getting booked; now, its all about the minimal, all dj's that are being booked are minimal related.

so, i would say, dont worry, this is just a trend that is enjoying of its moment.

Well, we people who love progressive are worried!! What do you play?

[Steve Graham]

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^^ dont be, you will always have access to the music you love!

[feather]

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can't all the music that has been debated in this thread be classified as "progressive" in one form or another?

did not music progress from:

vocal house

to big vocal trance

to progressive house

to tech house

to electro

to minimal


is this not progression in the eyes of the average listener?

to me it is.

"progressive" is a term too often associated with a certain sounding beat.

don't get me wrong you all know i love the old school bizzniss. but being the true progressor that i am, i fully embrace what music has progressed in to, whether it be some disgusting bass-ridden tek prog, or some driving chunky minimal with melodic elements buried within it. the music we love so dearly is going to keep changing, and as far as i'm concerned that is the very definition of "progressive"

this music is going to evolve and grow, and expand, and regress, and progress, and after that it's going to do it all over again. i can't even begin to imagine what our beats are going to sound like in another 5 years.

And I find it interesting to note that the prog house being discussed in this thread is mainly the deep dark stuff like Moshic, Kintar, Shiva, et al. Which is mainly informed by the sounds or trends circa 2001, while prog house existed before it all went deep.

I mean, I'm listening to Oakie's 99 EM right now and it's pretty proggy (Skydive anyone?) to me. And prog house was around before 99 as well.

Also I'm sure a lot of you remember when prog was deep, there were some abyssmal tracks out there that capitalised on the trend as well, not unlike my gripe about minimal music souding the same. Just about any track with a deep fat bassline, some freaky atmospheric sounds and a cheesy filtered male vocal qualified as a deep prog track.

And I'm also sure back then on this board, a whole bunch of us were bitching about how boring deep prog is and how Diggers killed prog as we knew it when he released GU19 and every DJ wannabe out there jumped on that deep wagon.

BTW there's a progressive house classics group on facebook and my friend contributed an NE tribute mix or whatever.

1) Young American Primitive - Daydream
2) Humate & Rabbit In The Moon - South
3) Rabbit In The Moon - Out Of Body Experience (Enlightenment)
4) Rabbit In The Moon - Out Of Body Experience (First Contact)
5) Dope On Plastic - Wave Dub
6) Castle Trancelot - The Gloom
7) Disco Evangelists - De Niro (Spaceflight Remix)
BT - Tripping The Light Fantastic
9) Sunscreem - Perfect Motion (Boys Own Remix)
10) Young American Primitive - Over And Out
11) Ultraviolet - Kites
12) Atlas - Compass Error (Original Mix)
13) Young American Primitive - Ritual
14) Young American Primitive - Young American Primitive (Angel's Hand Mix)
15) Young American Primitive - These Waves

Mediafire

[chuckc]

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All I know is I am very happy there are a select few, regardless of the current trend, that will still play this deep and dark progressive house

Everyone is wired different....But for me all my love and energy will always be with this type of music, It does so much more for me than any of this "evolving progressive"' tech house-electro-minimal" stuff.