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Re: just an honest question regarding media and election
(Photo credit: SSG Lorie Jewell, US Army) Gen. David Petraeus flies with Sens. Barack Obama and Chuck Hagel from Baghdad International Airport to the International Zone.
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"Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."Comment
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Re: just an honest question regarding media and election
Very true. The Conservatives fussed and fretted over this issue and it looks to be biting them. The thing here is that if the "lack of experience" argument about Obama is true, then this is a big deal because he is going out and getting some "experience" and for once not depending on pretty speeches with empty rhetoric or race baiting. So yeah, this turns out to be a positive for him.Ironically, I honestly think that part of the reason is that because the folks on the right made such a big deal over the fact that Obama hadn't been yet, it inevitably became more newsworthy when he did go. The RNC ran a ticker on its homepage showing how long it had been since Obama had been to Iraq -- now he's there, and so far it looks to be a net positive for him. Be careful what you wish for, IMO.
.And by the way, it is not a foregone conclusion that the media has this liberal bias that everyone speaks of. The media has a pro-media bias, and will run whatever stories keep people watching and listening, period. At different times over the course of an election cycle, that manifests itself by reporting that looks to favor one candidate or the other, most often the one that is behind, because viewers are more interested in a close race than a blowout
Yes the media is pro-media, but when most of the media is owned by liberals and employs liberally leaning reporters then it becomes pro-liberal by default. The same goes for media outlets like Fox on the other end of the spectrum. However in this case, Obama is leading and getting the attention while McCain is trailing, so the argument that "media favors the one trailing" really doesn't hold water, and lets face it, this election will be a blowout in favor of Obama.
I don't expect run-of-the-mill left wingers (or right wingers for that matter) to really buy the study because they consider opinions on blogs, wikipedia, or candidate websites as gospel over accredited institutions or specialists in the field. They tend to ignore or dispute valid studies no matter what they reveal (whether its this liberal media bias or global warming, etc). Even though this study does have its flaws, I have yet to see a valid study that shows no liberal bias in media.I frankly am just not buying the media bias study cited by Kiff (and I couldn't help notice that there are quite a few commentators that take a similarly dim view of the methodology). The way it is set up, it ignores obvious displays of bias, like when a reporter editorializes about a situation, and it also attaches what I view as artificial significance to what "think tank" is cited by members of congress and news outlets. This debate will rage on forever, but attempting to quantify something like this in an empirical way is like herding cats, IMO.“Only those who attempt the absurd...will achieve the impossible. I think...I think it's in my basement... Let me go upstairs and check.” - MC EscherComment
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Re: just an honest question regarding media and election
Well, this particular span of a few days where Obama is abroad might not be the best example of "media favors the one trailing," but in general, I think that still holds true. For evidence, consult the coverage throughout the entire primary season.
My, don't we have a heightened sense of self-importance? Thanks for stripping away the bullshit so that we, the unwashed, stupid masses, can see what's really going on.
The reason I don't put much stock into this study is that it is attempting to measure empirically something that inherently evades empirical analysis. When I hear Chris Matthews talk about how listening to Obama sends a tingle up his leg or watch Fox doctor photos of NYT reporters, I don't need a scientist to explain to me that there's bias at work. Of course, these and what most people would consider the most egregious examples of media bias wouldn't be captured in this study because they have nothing to do with any "think tanks."
You clearly believe there is an overwhelming liberal bias in the media and you've found a study that validates that belief for you, congratulations. Creationists are able to find studies that purport to support their positions as well. When you're dealing with things that are inherently touchy-feely and subjective, though, you're never going to find a study that carries any weight with me, which is why I'm not even going to bother to try to find an opposing study. It's an absurd discussion to have.Comment
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Re: just an honest question regarding media and election
WORD!
and there is a huge liberal bias in the media...
Its just getting worse too, thats why I think ratings for the networks and newspaper subscription is down...
Give us the facts, not your opinion...
If your giving us your opinion then make it clear, like Rush or anyone in talk radio does.."A man has to believe in something, I believe I'll have another beer."
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Re: just an honest question regarding media and election
Another reason might be that people from our generation turn to the internet and other non-traditional sources for our information. I get offered a subscription to the local paper every time I go to a baseball game, and I'm always thinking, "Why the hell would I pay for you to fill my house with excess paper with news that is already a few hours old when I get it?"Comment
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Re: just an honest question regarding media and election
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