Pesky Palestinians

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as opposed to having no philosophy at all? I would settle for for the pseudophilosophy (whatever that means) of a few men who fought against the concept that people live by government privilege, than to have none whatsoever.

Nope, as opposed to having a rational philosophy that exists in reality.

Pseudophilosophy isn't that hard to break down into its components. Try google.


Government privilage? Lolbertarianism is more than going against entitlements. It is the ousting of any public funding not defined by the constitution and not placed into the powers of congress. Yet, both Jefferson and Franklin supported federally subsidized education. In fact, Jefferson even conceded that by accident it was left out of the constitution. I mean, do you really know and understand the other side of the founding fathers and great economic philosophers that our nation idolizes (aside from Milton Friedman)? Madison might come close to your thoughts.

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just for you lolbertarians.http://world.std.com/~mhuben/onelesson.html

[ganjamo]

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It was a non-lethal bullet so it just did a lot of pain and didnt kill him. He probably deserved that and much more.

[88Mariner]

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I stopped at this line:

"Government is the Great Satan. All Evil comes from Government,
and all Good from the Market, according to the Ayatollah Rand. "

Rand was the most vicious opponent of lolbertarianism. I think, and agree, with Rand's determination that Lolbertarianism is philosophically unprincipled. I agree with you in that respect because, in its most abstract form, governments are necessary. Rand agrees with you, too.

Government privilage? Lolbertarianism is more than going against entitlements. It is the ousting of any public funding not defined by the constitution and not placed into the powers of congress.

It will never ever get to that point. Which is why I would vote libertarian out of practicality, rather than hope that it would ever get to that point. Being that public educations has failed to educate and keep students on par with thier peers around the word, it should be open for discussion about how to improve the system.

Yet, both Jefferson and Franklin supported federally subsidized education.

Jefferson had slaves and Franklin supported the Turkey to be the national symbol. I disagreed with both of them. They also supported subsidized education at a time when it was not only viable, but produced brilliant pupils as well. Not so much today.

In fact, Jefferson even conceded that by accident it was left out of the constitution.

I'd be interested in a citation of this. Not that I don't believe it to be true, but that so many versions of the constitution left it out.

I mean, do you really know and understand the other side of the founding fathers and great economic philosophers that our nation idolizes (aside from Milton Friedman)?

Yes I do, so long as your and mine opinion of great economic philosophers are mostly in agreeance.

Madison might come close to your thoughts.

Madison is my favourite President. He was a short stud with a lot of brains.

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[quote=88Mariner;628554]I stopped at this line:

"Government is the Great Satan. All Evil comes from Government,
and all Good from the Market, according to the Ayatollah Rand. "
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It's good for a laugh.

Rand was the most vicious opponent of lolbertarianism. I think, and agree, with Rand's determination that Lolbertarianism is philosophically unprincipled. I agree with you in that respect because, in its most abstract form, governments are necessary. Rand agrees with you, too.

Rand agrees with the concept that individuals have rights and the government is there to protect individuals. Other than that, I'd say her philosophies run nearly, if not, parallel with libertarianism. Either way, it's good to see a libertarian know that governments are necessary for the stability of a society.

It will never ever get to that point. Which is why I would vote libertarian out of practicality, rather than hope that it would ever get to that point. Being that public educations has failed to educate and keep students on par with thier peers around the word, it should be open for discussion about how to improve the system.

Agreed

Jefferson had slaves and Franklin supported the Turkey to be the national symbol. I disagreed with both of them. They also supported subsidized education at a time when it was not only viable, but produced brilliant pupils as well. Not so much today.

I'm not so sure about your last statement. Jefferson's plan for a federally subsidized education was based off a pyramid principle: go through general education when you're younger, and be selected (if you were smart enough) to move on to high school and once again filtered onto college/university. On top of that, he was more interested in educating the public to prevent the government from going out of control and leading to tyranny -- hence his bill for a more general diffusion of knowledge.

I'd be interested in a citation of this. Not that I don't believe it to be true, but that so many versions of the constitution left it out.

It's in his 1802 state of the union of address which I believe you can find either from u of chicago website or the yale website.

Yes I do, so long as your and mine opinion of great economic philosophers are mostly in agreeance.

Finally, a lolbertarian with some space for reasonability.

[88Mariner]

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Sometimes people use the word Libertarian for others to readily understand where one is coming from without more explanation. My previous points, I hope, divulge my platform.

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It was a non-lethal bullet

Rubber coated bullets can and have killed many in the past.
Don't believe me? Try shooting one of these "non leathal" bullets at your head and see what happens.

so it just did a lot of pain and didnt kill him

You're ok with torture, just as long as your family members aren't on the recieving end, yeah?

He probably deserved that and much more

Those Palestinians are just just screaming for it.

[ownit]

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It was a non-lethal bullet so it just did a lot of pain and didnt kill him. He probably deserved that and much more.

what kinda fuckin comment was that?

[erezdayan]

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those r really good ! haha ... antisemetic in its best !

[ganjamo]

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Rubber coated bullets can and have killed many in the past.
Don't believe me? Try shooting one of these "non leathal" bullets at your head and see what happens.



You're ok with torture, just as long as your family members aren't on the recieving end, yeah?

Thats why they shot him in the leg.
I got family that has been a victim of suicide attacks and a plastic bullet in the leg is 1% of what that guy PROBABLY deserved. We dont know what he did to deserve that and its not really smart to judge without the real facts.
What if that guy threw a rock and it hit that soldiers friend in the face or something similar...

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Thats why they shot him in the leg.
I got family that has been a victim of suicide attacks and a plastic bullet in the leg is 1% of what that guy PROBABLY deserved. We dont know what he did to deserve that and its not really smart to judge without the real facts.
What if that guy threw a rock and it hit that soldiers friend in the face or something similar...

Excuses, excuses and more excuses.

Do you honestly believe that the Israeli "soldiers" would have reacted the same way to an Israeli/jewish citizen?


These disgraceful actions committed in your name will do nothing except create more hate and will further rot away at your country from the inside.

This is what occupation does.

[ganjamo]

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We dont even know if the guy that got shot was even a palestinian...

Its a very hard situation to handle and there will always be this sort of discussion we are having right here.
I was lucky not to be born in there and i do feel sorry for them but there's nothing i can do about it.

i might sound like an ass%#^$% but there are always two sides in a coin, some are lucky and some are not. Just deal with it.

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We dont even know if the guy that got shot was even a palestinian...

It doesn't matter who it was.
You don't go shooting people who are blindfolded and hands bound behind their backs.

Its a very hard situation to handle and there will always be this sort of discussion we are having right here.

That's the beauty of forums such as these.

I was lucky not to be born in there and i do feel sorry for them but there's nothing i can do about it.

You can start by not making excuses for these disgraceful acts.

i might sound like an ass%#^$% but there are always two sides in a coin, some are lucky and some are not.

Well aren't you just one of the lucky ones.

You lucky person you.

[88Mariner]

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Do you honestly believe that the Israeli "soldiers" would have reacted the same way to an Israeli/jewish citizen?

Uh, no offense, but american cops do this type of stuff all the time to the people they serve and protect....

i wouldn't put it past the thought...

[ganjamo]

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^ yeah it looks like life is only fair in Australia hehe. Everywhere else its not.