Obama in Europe

[Jenks]

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awww, poor shosh.

[shosh]

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I think Bush needs to re-read that document as well, because as far as I know it hasn't given any president a wild card to go and start wars all over the feckin planet.

Protecting your values and culture is something completely different from going outside and imposing them on other people. Is that so hard to see?

stfu, you live in holland (jk)

go tell that to someone who lives under an oppressive regime. go tell that to the iraqis who have been killed by saddam. wait, you cant because.... they're dead? right... go to fuckin iraq and ask them if they have a better life now or before with saddam.

jenks - its because of you and others who follow the fuckin socialist ideologies of the liberals and fail to see the truth because obamas ass hair is in their way that the country is in grave danger.

[TomTom]

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Jenks a socialist liberal? Good one.

[toasty]

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Jenks a socialist liberal? Good one.

Was thinking the very same thing.

[shosh]

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learn how to read... i said he follows them... he is following obama ...

fuck tomtom... go ask your east german brothers how much they liked living in communism, then tell jenks and toasty so they know what to expect

[Jenks]

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jenks - its because of you and others who follow the fuckin socialist ideologies of the liberals and fail to see the truth because obamas ass hair is in their way that the country is in grave danger.

you reeeeeeeeeally don't know me chief, or what you're talking about.

[TomTom]

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learn how to read... i said he follows them... he is following obama ...

fuck tomtom... go ask your east german brothers how much they liked living in communism, then tell jenks and toasty so they know what to expect

^^ Our country was full of "only followers" back in the days. How can you follow an ideology without believing in it to some extent.

[Jenks]

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fuck tomtom.

i've known tom for many years now, he's a good friend, but i am not going to fuck him.

[shosh]

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^^ Our country was full of "only followers" back in the days. How can you follow an ideology without believing in it to some extent.

dude, thats what this country is full of... most people have no clue what obama stands for, and they just vote for him because hes young or black or stupid.
look at black vote... you really want to tell me that all those black people know what obama stands for? hell no, they just vote for him cause hes black. hell most of them probably cant read but they think he is going to help them out, which he said he was going to do.
as for the rest, its the stupid new wave of thought of our generation, degrading all of our values and everything it used to stand for.

[Yao]

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People get the leaders they deserve Shosh, different doesn't necessarily mean better. And despite what they tell you, I for one do not believe that Iraqi's are better off right now than they were before.

Who are you to tell someone else what 'the right way' is, who am I to do that? I want my values and country to be protected, but I sure as hell won't be the arrogant prick telling everyone how they should lead their lives or manage their friggin country.

The other side is just as simple: I'm an anthroplogist, I study cultures. And even though there is so much that I don't like in some other cultures, don't understand, don't appreciate or respect, there is also much that I do find interesting, cool, lovely and even complentary to my own culture and worldview. This world my not be perfect and not everything has to be your cup of tea, but if you look around a bit you might just find a lot out there that could make your life a bit richer bro. Seriously.

[Cj Tari]

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wow, you shosh are like the perfect image of a right wing nut job, its like listening to rush limbaugh, the only thing you guys can concentrate on is on bashing the democrats, but youre still not able to convince people of the better side republicans can bring.

if you dont like obama, thats cool, go on and vote for mcain, but please do us a favor and stop trying to convince the rest of the country that its wrong to vote for obama, by the same token, please try and make your own topics in wich you can highlight some of mcains virtues, instead of always hijacking obama threads to only look like a crying baby.

thanks.

[shosh]

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wow, you shosh are like the perfect image of a right wing nut job, its like listening to rush limbaugh, the only thing you guys can concentrate on is on bashing the democrats, but youre still not able to convince people of the better side republicans can bring.

if you dont like obama, thats cool, go on and vote for mcain, but please do us a favor and stop trying to convince the rest of the country that its wrong to vote for obama, by the same token, please try and make your own topics in wich you can highlight some of mcains virtues, instead of always hijacking obama threads to only look like a crying baby.

thanks.

u mad?

[BSully828]

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His message to the Europeans is important, but it, along with his positive reception by the rest of the world, also sends an important message to voters back home that he gives us the best chance to restore our standing in the world.

But in terms of the average American, where do you think "Global Opinion" lies on the list of priorities?

All we have heard from both campaigns so far is that Joe America is suffering. He can't afford his house, he can't afford to fuel his car, can't afford milk and bread to feed his family (I'm a little tounge-in-cheek here but I'm just going off the "end is nigh" rhetoric I've heard from both parties). If such a portrait is true, do you think the average American even cares what Germany or France thinks of us? Wouldn't he be much more concerned with Obama's plan re: settling things down domestically over patching things up internationally?

The problem I have with Obama is that he is so clearly trying to be all things to all people. I can't say it is a trait unique to him because it is what election-year politics has become; appease the most, ruffle the least, and cram as much "together we can" into every speech you give.

If you are pro-Obama his message of hope is invigorating and inspiring, finally a candidate we can believe in!

If you are anti-Obama his message is vapid and misleading, a sliver-tounged suit leading the sheep down a dangerous path.

If you are like me his message is nothing new, it's the same message we heard in July of 2006, 2004, 2002, 2000, 1998, 1996 an so on. One that is full of weight and promise now, but will turn to smoke when the candidate takes office (whoever that might be)

[toasty]

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just because someone lives in arkansas does not make them inferior to you, does it?

Clearly, you've never visited Arkansas.

oh wait but if i make a joke about obama being black thats fuckin offensive?

actually dude, your "joke" from that thread way back when was offensive. Anytime you throw the n-word into the equation, you're crossing a line. It wasn't funny.

dude, thats what this country is full of... most people have no clue what obama stands for, and they just vote for him because hes young or black or stupid.
look at black vote... you really want to tell me that all those black people know what obama stands for? hell no, they just vote for him cause hes black. hell most of them probably cant read but they think he is going to help them out, which he said he was going to do.
as for the rest, its the stupid new wave of thought of our generation, degrading all of our values and everything it used to stand for.

Most of this doesn't even warrant a response, but it does bear mentioning that the Democrats getting the overwhelming bulk of the black vote is hardly a new phenomenon. You can't say that black democrats are voting for Obama solely because he's black any more than you can say that white republicans aren't voting for him solely because he's black. A lot of those votes will happen no matter who the nominee is.

What I don't understand is the venom, the rage, the anger. I disagree with McCain and I think he's 100% wrong for the country right now, but I don't hate the guy at all. Where is this coming from?

Actually, don't answer that. Not sure I really want to know.

[toasty]

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But in terms of the average American, where do you think "Global Opinion" lies on the list of priorities?

All we have heard from both campaigns so far is that Joe America is suffering. He can't afford his house, he can't afford to fuel his car, can't afford milk and bread to feed his family (I'm a little tounge-in-cheek here but I'm just going off the "end is nigh" rhetoric I've heard from both parties). If such a portrait is true, do you think the average American even cares what Germany or France thinks of us? Wouldn't he be much more concerned with Obama's plan re: settling things down domestically over patching things up internationally?

Well, the average American should care, because we now live in a global economy, and all of these things are intertwined. He was actually asked this very question (Why should Americans care about his European trip) in a CNN interview that will be airing later today. Whether Americans will actually get it is another question, I suppose, but I haven't heard anyone that would otherwise be considering voting for him up in arms over the fact that he's over there and not here.