Obama in Europe

[toasty]

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Well, this doesn't have anything to do with anything, but I just wanted to point out that while you fellas were sitting here arguing about Obama, I was actually at a picnic shelter in Union, MO having a burger with the dude.

OK, so we weren't exactly sitting at the same table, but it was cool to get a chance to interact with him a bit. I've seen him a number of times before, always amongst a massive crowd -- this was far and away the most intimate setting of the times I've seen him in person. 200 people -- much less than the 25,000 last time.

Alright, sightless, feel free to go back to your unfathomable cynicism.

Shosh, renew your Rush-regurgitation.

Carry on.

[shosh]

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Even if your unflattering generalization of black Americans was accurate, does this not possibly work the other way as well?? I mean, since you introduced the race factor here, let's continue with this a bit...

Let's take you, for example. You're a far right-wing white guy. There are many people like you in this country, and who's to say that all of them, whenever faced with a differing choice, aren't always just going to automatically vote for the white guy cause he's white?

Do all those people really necessarily know what McCain stands for?

if you bother to read back the reason i made the generalization was because of that made towards rural america.
now your assumptions of me are pretty wrong. i dont dislike obama because hes black, hell i wish colin powell (sp) would run for pres, i think he would be awesome. but lets continue the race discussion... you really want to tell me that 87% of all blacks really agree with obama or just vote for him because of the race factor?
sit down

D-

[toasty]

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mccain has no chance in winning, seriously so umm sorry i guess

and the response

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109102/Ga...McCain-40.aspx

Uh, shosh, did you check that link before copying it from World Net Daily and pasting it into your post? It shows Obama with a 9 point lead.

[toasty]

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if you bother to read back the reason i made the generalization was because of that made towards rural america.
now your assumptions of me are pretty wrong. i dont dislike obama because hes black, hell i wish colin powell (sp) would run for pres, i think he would be awesome. but lets continue the race discussion... you really want to tell me that 87% of all blacks really agree with obama or just vote for him because of the race factor?
sit down

D-

Obama is a democrat. Go look back at African-American voting patterns over the last 20 years and see if you notice a correlation. A large, large percentage of black voters tend to vote democrat -- and why wouldn't they? What in the world does the GOP offer if you're black? Bush didn't even bother to address the NAACP for 6 years during his presidency. What better way to say, you know, I really don't care about the issues that affect you.

[i!!ustrious]

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flame me well, but his speech in berlin was powerful. better than our past prezidantz by far. i consider myself to be a moderate, but i cant stress enough how much i revere the guy --for his ability to walk the walk in terms of principles and integrity. i mean common yall, lets be frank, his level of potency, striving and thinking for the sake of the greater whole, common and general good... fosters a defense mechinism of intrepidating invulerability, and it towers over the haters.. --hate stems from jellousy and envy. likewise, the attacks aimed at him from the multimyriads of his appointed enemies simply form a bulwark around his 'perimiter' and when the time comes he will send only one trushot and devistate his enemies' slander etc. the man is on fire. and all the more power to him. i may not agree with his concrete policies, but what he stands for, and how he conducts himself, is the mark of a true man. furthermore, i really like what he meant with his leaked prayer as well, and he better not forgoe what he wrote or i will be pisst. he represents the call and vigour of the future. maclame will merely hand over the 'baton.' im not sure which of the 3 canidates i will vote for, but the crunch time towards election will be intense --free and decisive choices will be made. forreal.

i wish him the best of wishes, and i hope he continues to mnmlize his fumbles and partyfouls like a true masta. word.

[thesightless]

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jenks, what si so looney about my point of view?


these two parties have utterly guitted the US political system, turning thier own party into a popularity vote as opposed to presenting viable intelligent candidates.

and yuou know what> its OUR OWN FAULT. we vote for these people, and there is a direct correlation to a few things in regards to the US politcal system over the last 30 years. education down drastically across the board, crime up, money wasted, etc.

so my opinion is, stop these two monopolistic groups from only offering two really relaly shitty solutions. think about it. first it was bush/gore, then bush/kerry, now mccain/obama. we owe it to ourselves to dilute thier power, which in turn, will enable our governmet to stop stalwarting itself against progression.

so, vote them all out, dilute thier power, and return it to the people that our founding fathers had in mind in philly, the citizens as a whole.

is that a clearer view? ask me via PM certain questions, i will attempt to be honest and not a douche as normal. ask jim or yao, i am capable, just usually not willing

[shosh]

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and the response



Uh, shosh, did you check that link before copying it from World Net Daily and pasting it into your post? It shows Obama with a 9 point lead.

a damn it, I had 2 windows open, posted the wrong one haha

this is the one i meant... http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics...for-mccai.html

good catch, you got me there

flame me well, but his speech in berlin was powerful. better than our past prezidantz by far. i consider myself to be a moderate, but i cant stress enough how much i revere the guy --for his ability to walk the walk in terms of principles and integrity. i mean common yall, lets be frank, his level of potency, striving and thinking for the sake of the greater whole, common and general good... fosters a defense mechinism of intrepidating invulerability, and it towers over the haters.. --hate stems from jellousy and envy. likewise, the attacks aimed at him from the multimyriads of his appointed enemies simply form a bulwark around his 'perimiter' and when the time comes he will send only one trushot and devistate his enemies' slander etc. the man is on fire. and all the more power to him. i may not agree with his concrete policies, but what he stands for, and how he conducts himself, is the mark of a true man. furthermore, i really like what he meant with his leaked prayer as well, and he better not forgoe what he wrote or i will be pisst. he represents the call and vigour of the future. maclame will merely hand over the 'baton.' im not sure which of the 3 canidates i will vote for, but the crunch time towards election will be intense --free and decisive choices will be made. forreal.

i wish him the best of wishes, and i hope he continues to mnmlize his fumbles and partyfouls like a true masta. word.

so he has a good speech writer! good job on that hire, because we all know he cant speak worth shit without a prompter...
as far as the leaked prayer, i'm not so convinced it wasnt a stunt... i doubt everyone

[88Mariner]

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Obama is a democrat. Go look back at African-American voting patterns over the last 20 years and see if you notice a correlation. A large, large percentage of black voters tend to vote democrat -- and why wouldn't they? What in the world does the GOP offer if you're black? Bush didn't even bother to address the NAACP for 6 years during his presidency. What better way to say, you know, I really don't care about the issues that affect you.

sometimes you're good for a great laugh. Because, you know, look at all the Democrats have done over the last quarter century that has done anything to help them get out of the ghetto they live in.

[shosh]

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[toasty]

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we all know he cant speak worth shit without a prompter...

OK, first off, that's demonstrably false. I've seen him 5 times now, and he's never used a prompter. He does for big speeches and that's about it.

I've got no problem with someone using a prompter, though. Bush does it -- complete with inline pronunciation guides -- and I think most modern politicians have come to find them to be a helpful tool. In fact, I saw the reason why people use them this morning when McCain was giving a prepared speech (as opposed to the eleventy-billioneth 20-person "Town Hall" style meeting), but he was not using a teleprompter and was instead reading off a piece of paper. It reminded me of a 3rd grade book report -- he'd look up for one or two words and offer an awkward facial gesture of some sort, but he otherwise read directly off the paper. It was really, really bad. Hey Sen. McCain -- if there's one piece of technology that you really ought to get down pat, it's this one. Don't be frightened by the words that appear to float in midair, it will be OK. Seriously, if the GOP convention speech is anything like the speech he gave the night Obama clinched the nomination, it's going to be terrifically ugly.

As for the fact that Obama isn't as fluid speaking off the cuff as he is when giving a prepared speech, I view that as a product of something truly unique that Obama does when in question and answer sessions -- he actually thinks about the question that's been asked, and answers it. You can often see the thought process in action, and it definitely slows him down at times. I'd much prefer that to the normal MO, though, where a politician: (1) hears a question, (2) quickly runs through a series of prepared talking points to find the one that's closest to the subject matter of the question, (3) delivers a response, regardless of whether it actually answers the question.

[toasty]

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sometimes you're good for a great laugh. Because, you know, look at all the Democrats have done over the last quarter century that has done anything to help them get out of the ghetto they live in.

I'm not saying the Democrats have done a bang up job, I'm just saying that the GOP hasn't even made an effort to court the black community. When's the last time you heard a republican politician other than Mike Huckabee even bother to talk about things like poverty, social justice, or other issues that tend to impact the black community more than the rest of the country? They don't even try. If I were black, I might not be elated about the Dems' performance, but the Republican ticket would be a non-starter.

[88Mariner]

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what makes social justice, poverty, and the like a black-only issue? those issues, i think, have been, up until this administration, dealt with. the problem is, the lack of any understanding of government, american history, and economics. they've been promised quick fixes and they'll settle for nothing less.

FFS man, they were still calling for reparations this millenium!!!!

I also want to point out tha some of the bigger issues affecting blacks, particulary the drug war, have the biggest and strongest opponents in republican party in congress, and the libertarian party. and i wont' go into a diatribe about tax breaks and shit like that.

so long as people think that race matters more than merits, this problem will continue to be cyclical.

[toasty]

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what makes social justice, poverty, and the like a black-only issue?

Had a feeling someone would throw me some crap for that comment. That was not intended to be the point of the post, the point of the post is that republicans have made no effort to reach out to the black community, which ought to be beyond serious dispute. As to whether poverty is exclusively a black issue, of course it isn't, and I never said anything to the contrary. I believe what I said is that poverty tends to impact blacks more than the rest of the country, and unless something has changed in the very, very recent past, that is not a statement of opinion, that is a statement of fact. Look at the percentage of people that live below the poverty line that are black, and that conclusion is obvious. That wasn't intended to be, nor should it be, a controversial statement.

Same thing with the admittedly amorphous "social justice." When you compare the sentencing for blacks and whites convicted of the same crimes, it's hard not to notice a discrepancy.

This is all beside the point, though. You seem to think that the Republicans and Libertarians have some ideas that would benefit the black community, and I'm not disagreeing -- in fact, they have the opportunity to do something about the drug war right now, let's see if they actually follow through and vote the right way on that House bill re marijuana. I'm just saying that the outreach between the GOP and the black community is shit, and that is not a new phenomenon. A lot of blacks are voting for Obama, but most of these voters would have voted for whomever the Democratic candidate was. FFS, McCain voted against making MLK's birthday a holiday -- he's since changed his position on that, but that's not exactly the best way to ingratiate yourself to African-Americans. If the GOP has such great ideas for the black community, they need to work on spreading that message, because it isn't getting through.

[thesightless]

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just my opinion, im not going to argue anythign about it

the only real solution to all the social injustice that people complain about is for all parties to realize that cultures need to be respected in common areas. i.e. the barkley analogy of a black in baggy pants and a doo rag going on a job interview when they just interviewed the white kid in teh suit.

im wrangling around putting it into words, but the bible thingof "teach a man to fish , feed him for a lifetime" really applies to what the US government does. the liberal end usually, not always tends to give the fish to teh person, while the conservatives tend to tell the party in question to learn how to fish, they just do nothing while the person is trying to learn, nor do they teach them

clearly, the last 16 years are moving away from this, as they are now simply being ignored, (personally, i dont see the need to cater to a culture. they should be fighting for themselves to integrate into an existing culture, and honestly, everyone is on equal footing in regards to law anyway). we lifted every prohibitive law out there, now its time for those people to step up.

the largest one i can think of is schooling in poor and minority communities, but this has less to do with gov't than it does with teachers not wanting to deal with these areas. my sister teaches for NYC school system in a really really bad area. her car has been robbed and trashed after disciplining a student, the kids are complete little shits, and first hand i witnessed kids telling her to fuck off. clean up your neighborhoods and progress forward.

[88Mariner]

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ok, i'll save my dissent (except for the fact that there are twice as many impoverished whites than there are impoverished blacks, 2:1 basically), and ask....what exactly could republicans (or libertarians) do to engage the self-contained black community?