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  • Civic_Zen
    Platinum Poster
    • Jun 2004
    • 1116

    Kerry's Wartime Record

    OK, some of this could be exaggerated election year hype, but I've done my research and found that Kerry really has refused to authorize the release of his military record. That is fact. Also bear in mind that I am still not voting this year, because I don't believe Bush to be an adequete alternative either. But since Bush is the one who gets every little thing about him posted on this board (and rightfully so for the most part), I thought I would post this information about Kerry, for no other reason then out of fairness.


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    Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore.... Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. The probable real reason is below.

    He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.

    There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.

    His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire. Hopefully, this will blow up in his face before too much longer. After all the crap Bush went through with his record, its only fair IMO.
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    On 18 Feb. 1966, John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

    On 18 Feb. 1966, John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty &ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 ).

    Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

    Lt John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969, asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

    On Jan. 3, 1970, Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

    Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?

    Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

    On 1 July 1972, Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive. On 16 February 1978, Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

    Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

    1. Lt Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

    2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.

    3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

    4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.

    5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

    Lt. Kerry by his own words &actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

    The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
    "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." - Tacitus (55-117 A.D.)
    "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
    - Thomas Jefferson
  • hagen-das
    Fresh Peossy
    • Jun 2004
    • 21

    #2
    Re: Kerry's Wartime Record

    Originally posted by Civic_Zen";p="
    Unlike ...Bush, .... Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records.
    Where is the full release of Shrub's records located?

    If you're looking for actual Kerry related documents, try this link:



    Please post a similar page for Dubya.

    Regards.

    edit - I forgot this easy to read timeline, supported by above documents:


    reading is fundamental.

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    • brakada
      Gold Gabber
      • Jun 2004
      • 622

      #3
      ^^^^ Yup. It says in the records he was honorably discharged on Feb 18 1978. So, where did you get your information civic?? :wink:
      We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."

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      • Civic_Zen
        Platinum Poster
        • Jun 2004
        • 1116

        #4
        You expect me to believe the information on John Kerry's own site. Naive you two may be, but don't expect the same from everyone else.

        I don't post in this thread to prove myself right or wrong, if your interested you will do the research yourself.
        "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." - Tacitus (55-117 A.D.)
        "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
        - Thomas Jefferson

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        • hagen-das
          Fresh Peossy
          • Jun 2004
          • 21

          #5
          Re: Kerry's Wartime Record

          Well, given the absence of any copies of government documents confirming your original post of "facts" above, by the way where are Dubya's? - and yes, I understand that many people believe in good old A.L. "Steve" Nash "the only authentic phony SEAL hunter" and his essays (without sources mind you to back up him claims) and yes I understand that this same story you posted will give us 201 google hits to bulletin boards all over the internet (some of which actually do give us Mr. Nash as the source - unlike your post above) - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...sely+states%22 - my suggestion is as follows:

          stop w/ the Koolaid man.

          peace though.

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          • Civic_Zen
            Platinum Poster
            • Jun 2004
            • 1116

            #6


            It all makes sense if you think about it logically. But I can also understand if you don't believe some of those dated instances, I can't prove those either. What I did prove to myself is #5

            5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution

            Which makes the last paragraph quite interesting IMO.

            The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

            My whole point with this thread, is not IN ANY WAY to make Dubya out to be something he is not. I am not Pro-Dubya, I am not voting for either of these bastards and that is my point. Its just down right naive to believe that the man John F. Kerry is a better leader.
            "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." - Tacitus (55-117 A.D.)
            "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
            - Thomas Jefferson

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            • neoee
              Platinum Poster
              • Jun 2004
              • 1266

              #7
              Originally posted by Civic_Zen";p="


              It all makes sense if you think about it logically. But I can also understand if you don't believe some of those dated instances, I can't prove those either. What I did prove to myself is #5

              5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution

              Which makes the last paragraph quite interesting IMO.

              The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

              My whole point with this thread, is not IN ANY WAY to make Dubya out to be something he is not. I am not Pro-Dubya, I am not voting for either of these bastards and that is my point. Its just down right naive to believe that the man John F. Kerry is a better leader.
              Civic- if your whole argument for "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" and Kerry violating UCMJ code (where any charges filed?) stems from:
              1. Lt Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
              I think it holds no water, but instead falls under Freedom of Speech.

              Secondly, you failed to list sources and telling people to "go do the research" should be reason enough for people to discredit your statement. While I understand this isn't a court of law, where such a statement, without any substantial backing would be labeled hearsay, I don't think its unreasonable to ask for a source for your information. Especially from someone who has so readily labeled Moore's work propoganda; isn't the pot calling the kettel black?

              And finally- First let me say that I have not heard you suggest, nor am I implying that you suggested that others do the same as you and not vote but... I myself try to lead by example. So if it were me not voting I would hope others wouldn't either. Is this what you think others should do this year as well? Personally I think its a bit irresponsible in the sense that the presidential choices aren't the only ones on the ballot. So maybe we should follow your example and just not vote this year. After all who cares who is going to become the senator or governer or which judge is elected to the higher courts in my state? There's even an initative here to lower property taxes by 1/3 at the expense of letting the non-native(american) casinos implement slot machines (currently not allowed unless your on a reservation), taxed at 35%. Yeah ~ $1200.00/yr. difference for me in property taxes- maybe I should just stay home too. I hope you see my point.
              "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." -Benjamin Franklin

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              • brakada
                Gold Gabber
                • Jun 2004
                • 622

                #8
                Originally posted by Civic_Zen";p="
                You expect me to believe the information on John Kerry's own site. Naive you two may be, but don't expect the same from everyone else.

                I don't post in this thread to prove myself right or wrong, if your interested you will do the research yourself.
                I wouldn't believe the information on John Kerry's site either if it didn't say a copy of official document and if publishing faked/forged copies of official reports wouldn't be illegal in the country where I come from.
                I sincerely hope the USA has similar legislation or can anyone just post a faked/forge copy of an official document... BTW, in Slovenia it's called fraud and it's a criminal offence. :wink:

                And still you didn't post your source... :?
                We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."

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