Afterhours online....new trend?

[unkownartist]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

Firstly neither shiva or myself were talking about the harder drugs, and I'm ONLY talking about mdma!You didn't read my post properly, I said WHEN IT WAS LEGAL IN THE US THERE WERE NO ADVERSE EVENTS. Well there doesn't seem to have been any ill effects from that era, and I have looked for reports. But of since it was made illegal they couldn't really do proper testing because most pills are not pure mdma anymore. For a brief time it was legal, manufactured in a proper factory with consistent dosage. Which is what happens when things are legal.

What will the crims do? That is a bad question I really didn't think we were into providing jobs for criminals Seriously , that is not a good reason to make things illegal.

Re damage it is well documented that mdma does not do anywhere near the damage that alcohol does. So if people switched to a LEGAL pill of mdma there would be less damage for taxpayers to pay for. There was a really great survey done in the UK which measured all drugs, both legal and illegal. for all harm including social. I tried to find a link but couldn't , will keep trying. This is from another article I found on another survey.

"Under one possible ratings system, heroin, cocaine and barbiturates would be rated the most dangerous drugs. Alcohol (5th) and tobacco (9th) would be treated as more hazardous than cannabis (11th), LSD (14th) and ecstasy (18th)."



In an ideal world the rest of what you say would be true. But it isn't an ideal world and the drug that both I and a lot of the experts consider one of the worst is perfectly legal. Hey, maybe those muslims are on the right track with banning alcohol.

How much drug talk can we do here??

lol yes drugs like that are less harmfull because people in effect have to take less to get the effect needed to stay happilly high for a certain amount of time rather than drinking a beer getting a high from it and feeling like another beer and so on... people dont consider it to be as harmfull becaus eof the pshycology of it being legal...that will pass down the line if drugs go the same route.....with weeds its different because u can smoke it all day everyday....the trouble with beer is that ones you start you cant finish untill u fall asleep lol, weeds is the exact same...drugs are not legal possibly due to this generalisation attitude whihch everyone has to getting "high"....do you think the athorities havnt learned any lessons by the legalisation of alcohol, just stop and think about that for a second...i,ve seen people in this country take that attitude with drugs...the general attitude over here with the young ones is that " i can handle more drugs than you can!! "

i,m so convinced that that exact same attitude towards things that are legal would be carried down the line if the drugs you are talking about were to be legalised...in some ways its quite a clever thing that these drugs are illegal because when u have to go buy them from someone u have to think about where they came from or who ur buying them from and of course in the uk there is no way of testing these drugs so they are infact the most un pure drugs on the planet...even if they were the purist drugs on earth you still have to consider who's supplying them, in my time i,ve known some seriously shadey people....you wouldnt normally hang around with people with connections to mafia or something similar unless you had that attitude where fear would be your number one weapon would you ? ...think about that 1 and dont say well if it were legal you would just have to pop into your local supermarket and job done u go home with a smile on your face..i,m sick of hearing that argument because i know for a fact that it is wrong....people say drugs are healthier but if u take drug abuse into consideration and i,m talking all drugs here including tobacco and alcohol you will see that over the years more and more people have developed a "overuse" attitude towards that...i ,ve already explained why this has happened previously.

^ I am not that surprised of his opinion, after all he is Irish and whisky is their national product. A bit like Lebanon where grass "used" to be a national product... Somehow it becomes part of the local culture.

lol shiva believe me here when i say no 1 likes getting stoned more than me on this forum. i love it, i just cant deal with the adverse reactions my body has when i smoke it.. i used to smoke all the time and when u stop u miss it soooooo much....i dont go out much i admit that and its possibly due to the fact that when i do i,m usually around people who smoke it....for a person like myself who has had "problems" with it in the past its difficult to be around people who still take it....when i smoke something inside me "switches" on especially when i,m being creative...thats the hardest cycle to break is trying to be just as creative while high on life rather than high on drugs.

oh and 1 other thing .... i,m scottish lol...our whiskey is worse ... and i hate the stuff...infact i hate getting drunk @ all but its about the only thing i can do in this country that is legal!

[DIDI]

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^^^These aren't available in the UK.?? btw You are still not reading what I'm saying Legal means controlled everything!!

[spyros]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

for me a drug is bad when its addictive, when change your way of thinking in order to harm yourself or other people and when eventually it will make harm to your body! i dont think anyone here beleives that alcohol doesnt belong to all three above! so it doesnt mean because its legal that it wont mess u up! as i said before LIMIT IS THE KEY, and if all hippies in '60 had put a limit on lsd now it mite had been legal.
i have a documentary for heroin, cocaine, lsd, mdma,alcohol, weed and tobbaco which says when they were invented,when introdused to every society and when made illegal.
apparenly it says that in US when they discovered heroin from morphine, they used to give it to alcoholics prescribed, to detox them. it says "it was better for the society at this time to have some peaceful men(from heroin use), rather than having their wives with black eyes!! sad but true. i still got the doc. if anyone interested, i can upload it!

[feather]

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Hey man, thing here is, that's your experience. Maybe you're adverse to weed and your body overreacts to it or has a genetic propensity that succumbs to it.

Just as you and others have paid for their drug usage, there are others who are totally functional and have not suffered and in some cases, benefited from it.

So you can't look at your one man's experience or those of your immediate social circle, and then decide it's bad, and go on and turn into some anti-drug evangelist.

I've been taking shit for 8-10yrs now, from weed to e to k to coke to shrooms to lsd to ghb to speed to ice, and more often than not it's a cocktail of anything and everything.

And I drink and I smoke. Now all things considered, I probably would prefer not to have picked up smoking and drinking, and stick to shrooms or acid if they're legalised. I mean, what do you or most people get out of alcohol besides using it as a social lubricant or picking up? How many people do you know get into drunken brawls? How many do you know get into an e-induced fight? And what do we get out of cigs?

On a personal level, and with friends, I've certainly gotten more out of MDMA and acid. Stuff like MDMA was used for therapy, GHB is used for insomnia, you can get weed these days for medicinal reasons. Think about it.

And I started listening to electronic music around 97, so I can safely say I got into the whole edm/drug culture before I discovered drugs. Back then, it was never about going out on a weekend and trying to outdo each other with how fucked you can get. We went out for good music, and had maybe 1 or 2 pills the night, to supplement the experience. It's not a competition to get wasted, and it certainly wasn't a race to fuck up our lives.

But I've never reached the point you seem to have, and I've never felt like my life is fucked or my brain is fucked and I certainly don't feel the need to be so polarised about this drug issue.

All I can say is, be it your fucked up addiction or dependancy or neurosis or paranoia or creativity, everything has always been there. The drugs amplify what's there. I don't for one second believe you need that shit to be creative. Just as if you're insecure or neurotic, a night of drinking will give you a next day worth of regrets and embarrassment.

I'm not a drug apologist, but everything in its right place in the right amount, you know your body and your mind best. If you put yourself on the precipice with weed, you got yourself there to begin with, the weed only tipped you over the edge.

[Kamal]

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bravo feather.... well said....

[Shiva]

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^ Yep, I second that. i liked the way he summed the whole thing up...

[unkownartist]

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Hey man, thing here is, that's your experience. Maybe you're adverse to weed and your body overreacts to it or has a genetic propensity that succumbs to it.

Just as you and others have paid for their drug usage, there are others who are totally functional and have not suffered and in some cases, benefited from it.

So you can't look at your one man's experience or those of your immediate social circle, and then decide it's bad, and go on and turn into some anti-drug evangelist.

agreed but i see more of the bad sides of the drug experiences than you will probibly due to the fact that i,ve had that experience myself and also my dad works in mental health...i,m not condeming you guys as such...tbh its cutting me up just having to argue my point here...you have absolutley no idea what it is like telling people about this on a personal note, 9 times out of 10 people will use the knoledge that u,ve been ill before and use it against you....what i,m trying to do is more or less give an insite to exactly where a life like that can leed 2.

I've been taking shit for 8-10yrs now, from weed to e to k to coke to shrooms to lsd to ghb to speed to ice, and more often than not it's a cocktail of anything and everything.

And I drink and I smoke. Now all things considered, I probably would prefer not to have picked up smoking and drinking, and stick to shrooms or acid if they're legalised. I mean, what do you or most people get out of alcohol besides using it as a social lubricant or picking up? How many people do you know get into drunken brawls? How many do you know get into an e-induced fight? And what do we get out of cigs?

On a personal level, and with friends, I've certainly gotten more out of MDMA and acid. Stuff like MDMA was used for therapy, GHB is used for insomnia, you can get weed these days for medicinal reasons. Think about it.

ok if mdma was soooo successfull in treating depression as it was used for in the states then why was it also banned as a medical treetment? stop and think about it for a second...if there was so many medical benifits from such drugs as u put it then why are they not used by pharmaceutical companies today as medical treetments? its not as if they cant recreate synthetic clones of the chemicals found in these drugs to make it in effect legal.

And I started listening to electronic music around 97, so I can safely say I got into the whole edm/drug culture before I discovered drugs. Back then, it was never about going out on a weekend and trying to outdo each other with how fucked you can get. We went out for good music, and had maybe 1 or 2 pills the night, to supplement the experience. It's not a competition to get wasted, and it certainly wasn't a race to fuck up our lives.

But I've never reached the point you seem to have, and I've never felt like my life is fucked or my brain is fucked and I certainly don't feel the need to be so polarised about this drug issue.

97? u said u had only been taking drugs for 8-10 years and u then said u got into the whole edm/drug culture, this is 2008!!!! my brains fucked ? ( i,m only joking on that 1 feather that wasnt an attack lol )......i hate the fact that edm and drug culture were even put together, its basic knoledge that all the drugs used in the "edm" culture as u so put it were around long before acid house was on the scene or even further back than acid house even before disco where xtc and cocaine were popular.. you guys in the states are far more educated when it comes to things like that but for a young kid growing up in a situiation where all his/her peers are using drugs only leeds to 90% of that area taking drugs themselves and of course as the population increases so does the problems that arise from drug related incidents and i,m talking about everything when it comes to that..surely even u can see that...take a look at your local ghetto's ( if thats the correct term to use ).

I'm not a drug apologist, but everything in its right place in the right amount, you know your body and your mind best. If you put yourself on the precipice with weed, you got yourself there to begin with, the weed only tipped you over the edge.

just think about what i said earlier about the drug companies, they dont use these as medical told because they do more harm than good and yes thats even in small amounts, the answers to all the problems with drugs have been all around you in edm for years and no 1 noticed.

All I can say is, be it your fucked up addiction or dependancy or neurosis or paranoia or creativity, everything has always been there. The drugs amplify what's there. I don't for one second believe you need that shit to be creative. Just as if you're insecure or neurotic, a night of drinking will give you a next day worth of regrets and embarrassment.

i never really had an adiction as such but your probibly right i did have a dependancy on it all at one point, there is a difference, a huge difference, i loved getting high...so what!! i,m not paranoid and if i seem that way maybe i have my reasons, i dont use drugs for creativity as u so put it NOW but getting into creativity and taking drugs was a dangerous route as when u do that the 2 go hand in hand especially when u get that high of both drugs and the fealing of euphoria when u create something that your proud of, you have to think brain chemistry here which u already have by saying " The drugs amplify what's there " which is 100% correct...breaking that amplification is harder than you could ever imagine.


these drugs are about chemical overload feather, even in small doses...thats why they are illegal

[Shiva]

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^ I just love this guy:

http://shivadeejay.com/media/others/Bill_Hicks_Drugs.mp3

^

[unkownartist]

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^ I just love this guy:

http://shivadeejay.com/media/others/Bill_Hicks_Drugs.mp3

^

lmao

thats todays pop music explained in 1 foul swoop, probibly why they like to take it from people who do do drugs lol

[Shiva]

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^ I thought you were from Ireland (all that IRA and stuff)...

[unkownartist]

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^ I thought you were from Ireland (all that IRA and stuff)...

no lol

i,m from the uk

[feather]

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Actually I was originally from Singapore but living in Australia now, so you all know what SG is like. It's difficult for me to give a definite time when I started with the drugs 'cos there were early dalliances with weed, it's not like I decided alright, I'm gonna go full on and fuck myself up

This will sound like apologist talk, but IMO 'health' is seldom the priority when it comes to drug legislation, be it contraband or pharms. There's so much other shit involved like politics, money, pharm companies lobbying ...

It's not just contraband man. I'm quite into working out and nutrition, and you read stuff like the deal with aspartame or even the whole traditional food pyramid and why grains feature so dominantly in it.

Anyway!

[unkownartist]

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Actually I was originally from Singapore but living in Australia now, so you all know what SG is like. It's difficult for me to give a definite time when I started with the drugs 'cos there were early dalliances with weed, it's not like I decided alright, I'm gonna go full on and fuck myself up

This will sound like apologist talk, but IMO 'health' is seldom the priority when it comes to drug legislation, be it contraband or pharms. There's so much other shit involved like politics, money, pharm companies lobbying ...

It's not just contraband man. I'm quite into working out and nutrition, and you read stuff like the deal with aspartame or even the whole traditional food pyramid and why grains feature so dominantly in it.

Anyway!

hey, i,m an ex drug user...i,m not the anti satan drug preacherman you guys seen to be makign me out to be. infact i see it as helping you people see things the sensible way, ok i,m only 32 but i have seen things in the drug scene that most of you have heard about etc but then again i,m forgetting you are from america and u guys have things like the bronx and stuff but over here things are mostly run by intimidators and other things like that, i,ve known guys over here who have had connections in ny with mafia and allsorts, so i wont go there, over here its different, peoples attitude are still way back in the 1640's because the older generation have forgot what its like to be young and most of them dont understand that things move on and usually get "bigger and louder" if i can use that term....most of them grew up in an age where it was the british way or no way @ all, everything wasnt as world wide as everything is today... everyone over here see's places like the bronx and ur ghettos as a future for this place and are doing everything they can to stop it from happeneing......on this note i totaslly agree because the generalisation of things that happen over here is that were usually about 10-15 years behind the american way of life...things are very different over here with regards to quality, even our food.

some people over here dont understand that creating stress to drug users only makes the users then turn to drugs again to get away from the stress....its all phsycology....the things is that now the dealers have applied the same tactics when selling there product....right from an early age people over here were taught a buissness approach to everything we did...it only lead to complete havoc when the drug scene became larger than anything people ever imagined...it was big before we grew up but the thing is that now people are more open about it and more and more people are trying to beat the system....in 1985 if you got caught with 2 kilo of cocaine you would of spent a full 25 years in jail, a few years ago a guy i know was caught with 2 kilo and got 6 years and he's probibly got about another 6 months to a year left to go on his sentace before he goes up for parole and gets out in 3 years, its crazy but thats just how expensive things have become when it comes to dealing with criminals by putting them in a jail...so now most people have turned to fighting the problem themselves but they dont look at what causes people to take drugs in the first place because they grew up in an alcohol driven society.

[unkownartist]

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i,m thinking maybe i,ve said enough when it comes to my fealings on this, i have an open mind when it comes to things like this, i hate alcohol more than the whole of this board combined and doubled but i still have a little drink now and again because its the only things i can do over here thats controlled and i live in a society that treets alcohol and a socially acceptable thing, you feel odd or out of place going out in town around here and not sitting in a bar with freinds drinking alcohol. watching my dad drunk is the most disgusting and horrible thing i,ve ever seen in my entire life and i,ve had to endure that for as long as i can remember and he had the cheek to condem me for my drug use...... taking the drugs scene to a controlled legal level as u guys would like it is deffinately not the answer....

think about how advanced the drugs scene has become in recent years with people who have scientific ability.......its big bucks..........i,ll finish up with 2 words......


crack cocaine

[DIDI]

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for me a drug is bad when its addictive, when change your way of thinking in order to harm yourself or other people and when eventually it will make harm to your body! i dont think anyone here beleives that alcohol doesnt belong to all three above! so it doesnt mean because its legal that it wont mess u up! as i said before LIMIT IS THE KEY, and if all hippies in '60 had put a limit on lsd now it mite had been legal.
i have a documentary for heroin, cocaine, lsd, mdma,alcohol, weed and tobbaco which says when they were invented,when introdused to every society and when made illegal.
apparenly it says that in US when they discovered heroin from morphine, they used to give it to alcoholics prescribed, to detox them. it says "it was better for the society at this time to have some peaceful men(from heroin use), rather than having their wives with black eyes!! sad but true. i still got the doc. if anyone interested, i can upload it!

Certainly interested!!