Afterhours online....new trend?

[DIDI]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

Red, it's really good getting your insight from a personal viewpoint ,and a lot of what you are saying is really important, it helps people to understand! But, a lot of your information re the drugs , laws etc. are just plain wrong. Mdma is not addictive , you don't have to take more and more to get an effect! It is being used in America for medical purposes [to treat post traumatic stress disorder.]

Well, I guess Feather answered my question about drug discussion Good one

Maybe we need a separate thread for this discussion!

[unkownartist]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

Red, it's really good getting your insight from a personal viewpoint ,and a lot of what you are saying is really important, it helps people to understand! But, a lot of your information re the drugs , laws etc. are just plain wrong. Mdma is not addictive , you don't have to take more and more to get an effect! It is being used in America for medical purposes [to treat post traumatic stress disorder.]

Well, I guess Feather answered my question about drug discussion Good one

Maybe we need a separate thread for this discussion!

lol i didnt say mdma was addictive, quite the contrary actually, mdma is one of those drugs where the first high is the most important day of ur life so you want to go back to it time and time again, i see it like old men and women longing to be young again, doesnt matter how hard you try you can never get there, thats why its such a tempting drug...the first time i took it it was instant love, i'd never felt so complete in my entire life, something about that feeling and me ( then ) just was so right but then i was young and didnt really consider the full consiquencies of my actions then. i,ll be honest here and i,m serious...i'd rather feel that fealing one time again than i would have a fresh superbabe everynight for the rest of my life. its a very very very dangerous substance because it floods brain recepters with the chemical seratonin, those receptors get used to having that amount of seratonin flowing to them and it they dont get that flow you become depressed...what do u think a comedown is ? it also damages the cells ability to regenerate and ones those cells are gone they are gone forever and ur left with scar tissue, do u have any scars on ur body ? well ever wondered why they dont dissapeer when they are healed over ? the cells inside your body have the same make up as the cells on the outside and the same thing happens. how do u treet seratonin depletion? yea u have to input pills that do more or less the same thing as what xtc does and of course it all starts over again...anti depresants only make the problem worse because they do what xtc does but at a much slower pace and with less damage but that doesnt mean to say that they fix you.

one thing i havnt mensioned and i think now would be a good time to bring this up is the fact that for younger kids in there teens its probibly easier to get a hold of some illegal substance than it would be to get alcohol now the problem with that is that internal organs that are there to cope with toxins in your body havnt fully developed at that age and of course putting excess stress on these organs only causes them to develope less efficiantly than a normal organ would even @ this stage and of course if the user then continues to put stress on these organs they will never really fully develope as the body intended.

everyone see's cannabis as a safe drug because its easy to control ur actions while under the effects of it but what u cant control is how your body is dealing with the toxins produced/injested into your body while under the influence and beyond. smoke destroys skin cells @ a rapid pace and hinders your bodies ability to keep the elasticity of collagen ( if shiva would be so kind to get her camera out and go and photograph and older lebanese hashish smoker i think that will give you a good example of what i meen ) and thats not even considering what its doing to your liver,kidneys and lungs... the perfect way to describe it would be to take eating as an example...if ur hungry and you keep eating untill ur full your stomach will send a signal to your brain which will tell you mentally that ur full so u stop eating....when u injest drugs you get high but the thing is that thats your body telling you that this is too much because you are being flooded with chemicals and your liver cant cope with the imediate rush so u become intoxicated, when u drink alcohol why do you get drunk ? have you ever considered that ? u start to feel the effects of alcohol when ur liver cant cope with the toxicity of the amount of alcohol consumed..its the same thing with drugs but the difference with alcohol is that you have a certain dose and you have the choice of being able to control your input.

u get a pill....you rush to the night club....stick it down ur pants so the bouncer doesnt find it.....get in the club, big grin on your face...get some water...get the pill and put it in your mouth and swallow...an hour later you start to feel the effects of it but can you really say exactly what was in that pill OR can you really say you knew exactly how strong that pill was ? oh so now ur thinking well i,m a smart bastard i got the kit that tested my pill and i know exctly how much mdma is in my pill and i know its pure...thats the biggest pile of complete shite i,ve ever heard in my entire life lol thats like making an omlette and asking yourself is the yellow part of the egg ( yes the yolk before u think my brains fucked again ) is evenly spread all the way through the circumerance of your omlette...sounds kinda a strange way to describe it but think about how they test pills....they break a bit off the end and dip it in a chemical and ur left with 98% of the pill in your hand and u think its safe because the liquid turned that colour to say it was all good!! wheather it be 1 mg or 10000 mg of substance in that pill just taking a small part of the pill and testing it doesnt really give an exact description of exactly what is the complete content of the whole pill...go back to the omlette...if u dont wisk it correctly then ur left with white and yellow parts, if u whisk it fine then ur left with a yellow omlette....now think about the greed of a mass producer of drugs and the risks he/she knows he's taking when it comes to producing that drug...lets face it the likelyhood here is that your going to end up with a white and yellow omlette, you just dont know.

dont just sit here and talk shit about drugs etc actually take a look around you and read from time to time

gaba , no not the hardcore gene.....u think someone was trying to tell the younger kids about what they were doing ?


start to look closer and what u will find will leave you in complete awe

[DIDI]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

^^^ I guarantee I both look around me and read far more about these issues than you do Red! I could provide links to all the information [nformation not shit] I have put here except that there is very little likehood of you actually going to them and learning something that might contradict you

Ok one last try. mdma is one of those drugs where the first high is the most important day of ur life so you want to go back to it time and time again, that is the one of the recognized description of an addictive drug. You can definitely relive that first time with mdma though

Anti depressants have far more effect on your brain behavior than mdma. In fact i went on antidressants a couple of years ago and was pretty non functional for six months. Replacing serotonin can be done with food, Bananas and milk are a good source of tryptophan

A lot of us don't regard weed as a safe drug, on the contrary, it have been proved to have mental health issues.

People that use test kits Know it won't tell you the strength of the pill . All it does is tell you if there are other substances besides mdma. It's purely a safety issue . You don't think they stir when they make the mix. It would be impossible to take any part of a pill which wasn't representative of the whole pill.


Now I'm going to take myself over to the other thread It's definitely more appropriate for this discussion!

[unkownartist]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

yea lol maybe one of us should pm shiva and tell her to rename the thread to "reds arguing with everyone about drugs"

and ur right inti depressants knock the living shit out of u for a very very long time

[feather]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

But anything can become addicive. It's a matter of psychological or physiological addiction. Pasta can become addictive. I read couple of months back about this woman who was hooked on (IIRC) 8L of Coke a day.

Everyday around the world, people drink a cup of coffee for a wake up jolt. And people do get addicted to caffeine as well.

It's as basic as checking the road before you cross it, or puttng on the belt when you get into a car. Or taking a break from MDMA to rest the brain, making sure you supplement with 5-HTP. It's no different from say, taking magnesium for muscle cramps or St John's Wort for stress or guranna for focus. These all affect the neural system of your body.


What I (and we) are trying to say is, drugs, pharms or contrband, are no different. You want to do something, find out what you're doing, do it, take whatever precautions, it's your responsibility to look after yourself.

Would you bungee jump without checking or ensuring the ropes are secure? Would you bungee jump every day of your life to the point you can't walk straight and see straight?

So if it comes down to alcohol vs mdma vs weed vs nicotine, there're heaps of studies that confirm the harmful effects of the legal drugs.

Yet when it comes to stuff like MDMA, you'll find scant studies because of its legal status.

Which is why legalisation is important. Legalisation solves the issue of quality, it allows for the drugs to be studied.

My point is, a substance's legality does not automatically mean it will kill you or fuck up your life. Legality is all politics.

A lot of your beef with drugs seem to stem from their effects or side effects or the culture that people get into when they consumer drugs. Stuff like chasing the high, getting involved with shady characters, going to jail, getting addicted.

But let's see what happens if we made Coke or pasta or caffeine or alcohol or nicotine illegal the next day. Same shit.

I agree that weed, MDMA, etc are gateway drugs which can lead on to other shit. Hey I've done my share but it's never occurred to me to shoot up or do H, it's completely out of the picture because it's just doesn't 'exist' in the way I live.

You can't just say because someone does weed, he'll automatically go on to do H and then go on to live on the streets and offer blowjobs for some smack. Like someone who buys a lottery ticket, you don't assume he'll go on to gamble his life and owe big money and kill himself.

The drugs are there, but it's often the circumstances in a person's life or his social environment that contributes to the bulk of the fuck up.

[Shiva]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

^ Couldn't agree more with what feather & Didi are saying, you guys are taking the words out of my mouth...

Pasta can become addictive

Pasta...lol...being married to an Italian, hell yea I am an addict of those..

[DIDI]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

Well said !

[Shiva]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

The more this thread, and other similar ones as a matter of fact, move forward, the more I realize that [MS] members are connected in more than one way...and I'm loving it!

[unkownartist]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

firstly before breaking down ur post feather i will say that something i agree with you on but where did all the talk about addiction come from ? i,m talking about the effects of these substances on the body not addictions.

But anything can become addicive. It's a matter of psychological or physiological addiction. Pasta can become addictive. I read couple of months back about this woman who was hooked on (IIRC) 8L of Coke a day.

Everyday around the world, people drink a cup of coffee for a wake up jolt. And people do get addicted to caffeine as well.

lol thats the best part of ur post, there are actual studies to back up your theory on wheat being addictive and of course there are book after book on sugar addiction...these foods produce such a rush of endorphins in the body when injested that in some ways there are drugs in themselves, all food produces chemical release of endorphins in the body. coke... well sugar and caffine combined i think that about says it all, caffine is a stimulant thats why u can by pills containing pure caffine.

It's as basic as checking the road before you cross it, or puttng on the belt when you get into a car. Or taking a break from MDMA to rest the brain, making sure you supplement with 5-HTP. It's no different from say, taking magnesium for muscle cramps or St John's Wort for stress or guranna for focus. These all affect the neural system of your body.

now here a big big big mistake infact a huge huge huge mistake, mdma actually doesnt get absorbed well by the body, only a certain amount of it is absorbed and the rest is flushed out by urine....mdma is infact one of the erliest forms of anti depressant, it floods the system with seratonin which is the stuff that makes you smile and if u care to read instructions on todays anti depressants you will see that there is a big warning about not mixing these pills with st johns wort or any other seratonin producing natural remidies ike 5-htp...they dont balance the body as u so put it..in effect what they do is actually flood ur receptor with more seratonin so in effect you are just taking more of the same substance but in less amounts which if u take into consideration the damge you have just done to the brain cells with taking your mdma really isnt such a good idea to put more in, its like going to macdonalds and buying a super sized meal 20 times a day, you wouldnt do that would you ? juyst because there are no outside or visial signs of damage ( i.e. things you can see like a blemish in the skin ) doesnt say that internally there has been a clean passager if u get what i,m trying to say on that.

What I (and we) are trying to say is, drugs, pharms or contrband, are no different. You want to do something, find out what you're doing, do it, take whatever precautions, it's your responsibility to look after yourself.

pharms are slightly different because they are governed by law which states that the pharms drugs must be chemically purified for consumption, can you honestly say that the mdma producer who is supplying your dealers with his product is doing this when u take into consideration the risk he/she is taking producing that product...its basic knoledge that you can google for a recipe for mdma and ok at first u will get the recipe but what u wont get in the correct way of purifying the chemical processes as you are mixing those chemicals and this is exactly whats happening over here in the uk... i look @ it like this...a resturaunt has a bad rep for selling bad or out of date food...its well known that people have had food poisoning from that place...would u take your new girl/man out for a meal in that place would you...yet u know there has been deaths or adverse reactions from people taking mdma or some other substance like speed...so why go for that meal ?

So if it comes down to alcohol vs mdma vs weed vs nicotine, there're heaps of studies that confirm the harmful effects of the legal drugs.

that argument is weak....heard it many times before...its something that u keep going back to feather...everyones like a broken record on that lol....this isnt the issure here...all drugs like that are bad for you. end of comment

Yet when it comes to stuff like MDMA, you'll find scant studies because of its legal status.

lmfao...feather those studies were done long before you were born, why do u think they stopped using it as an anti depressant in the 1920's...do u look after your records feather? thats another 1 jumping!!!

if mdma was such the wonder drug u keep going on about then everyone would be on it all day everyday all the time. have you ever bothered to do a deep search on the effects of it and when i say a search i dont mean going to a "pro" drugs site like erowid...take it that one step further feather, you may thank yourself for that.

Which is why legalisation is important. Legalisation solves the issue of quality, it allows for the drugs to be studied.

My point is, a substance's legality does not automatically mean it will kill you or fuck up your life. Legality is all politics.

already happening in an illegal way, ever heard of bzp ? or tfmpp ?

bzp is synthetic speed and of course when when its combnined with the happy effect or rather seratonin flooding effect of tfmpp you more or less have an unlegislated mdma synth which is sold all over the world and is only governed by law in certain countries like the US but loop holes in other laws mean that this combined synthetic drug can be sold over the internet or over the counter in your local shops all over 98% of europe and other countries like new zealand, i,ve took these and holy fuck they are strong, just because they are synthetic doesnt mean that they dont have the exact and i mean the EXACT same effect on the body and the purest forms of speed or mdma...just becuase they are made in a controlled enviroment by scientists doesnt mean to say that they dont do as much damage to your body as the illegal alternatives....this only garentee's purity and content.

You can't just say because someone does weed, he'll automatically go on to do H and then go on to live on the streets and offer blowjobs for some smack. Like someone who buys a lottery ticket, you don't assume he'll go on to gamble his life and owe big money and kill himself.

this is true very true infact but that is now...what happens down the line say 10-20 years maybe ?...if u take smoking as an example whats the first thing u notice when a smoker walks by you in the street ? i,m guessing its the smell...bet you love getting into a heavy smokers car with your new clothes on getting a run to that massive sasha and digweed event of all time, its an hours drive and the smoker does 80 a day....80 divided by 24 = 3.333333 ... its raining so u cant put the windows down to let the smoke out, you arrive at the event not smelling of that rather expensive aftershave/perfume you splashed over your freshly wash skin but you arrive with the aromatic aroma of 3.3333333 john player special king size stuck to ur skin and clothes....weeds no different, sure it tastes better...when u stop thats the first thing u miss btw but the smell is also highly and i meen highly unpopular...lets face it people attitude is changing toward the smoking scene which then leeds the phsycology of people not wanting other to smell "what they have been doing" so in turn this will leed to people injesting/injecting...if u stop and think about it,that actually makes sense...think about the future.

The drugs are there, but it's often the circumstances in a person's life or his social environment that contributes to the bulk of the fuck up.

u talked about gateway?

what is the biggest gateway of all ?

[DIDI]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

Red, Red. red. Mdma was not used as an antidepressant in the 20s. In fact I don't think it has ever been used as an anti depressant, This video gives you some history!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1564288654365150131

[unkownartist]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

Red, Red. red. Mdma was not used as an antidepressant in the 20s. In fact I don't think it has ever been used as an anti depressant, This video gives you some history!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...88654365150131

ok maybe i got that wrong...no one is perfect...ur missing one very serious vital point though...your body isnt a reservoir of chemicals, it stores the chemicals it needs to produce these chemicals on demand in body fat etc, if u take a substance like mdma for example this triggers your body to go into over drive to produce the chemicals which make mdma such a pleasurable fealing...this puts stress on the stuff you already have stored to make up those chemicals and the sudden uptake of these chemicals on the receptors cause huge internal scars etc etc......your body naturally doesnt have the capability to cope with the sudden uptake in chemical reactions which in turn puts stress on certain body funtions, especially when u r coming down as ur body has to cope with the damage as well as fill back its reserviour of body fat, more stress, and dont go down that everything is ok in moderation route with this one lol...you cant really tell how long your body will recover from an experience like that, have you ever cut your hand...how long does it take for the scab to dissapeer?...you cant tell...its the same with internal damage..... we all know that stress is bad and its particularly bad for body organs also... i think the openeing part of that video says it all if u know how to read it in the correct manour, even an old guy was saying that it was "highly recomended" because it made the world look so enthousiastic...

shit god dam fucking hell man stop and fucking think about that for a fucking second will you!!!! argh you guys are fucking blind!!!! ( i,m perfectly calm no seriously i,m saying that with a huge smirk on my face )

that is NOT reality...you attitude is lets just get everyone high and all the worlds problems will dissapeer.... look @ areas where drugs are part of the culture and have been for centuries....sorry shiva but u just shot urself right in the foot with a bazzooka.....

lebanon.....afghanitsan..... do i have to go deeper into that side of things ?

[Shiva]

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sorry shiva but u just shot urself right in the foot with a bazzooka.....

lebanon.....afghanitsan..... do i have to go deeper into that side of things ?

^ Really? Well be my guest... What I have reported earlier is not my invention, it is a reality that has even been, and still is, very much documented on CNN for example or other world medias... So I am not understanding this "shot myself in the foot" thing.
But hey, if you insist on going "deeper" and typing another tons of letters, well be my guest , I am just kicking back and watching what you're saying.....
(i'm not saying "reading" what you're "typing" coz that's way to long for me to read at the moment: I'm preparing for my gigs).

[feather]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

WTF man ... dude you're saying all drugs like that are bad for you, so what about all the GMO food and processed food we consume? I mean, come on, the way you put it, LIFE is bad for you, it's fatal yo.

I've read up enough on MDMA to know the politics behind it, and I know it wasn't used as an anti-depressant just as I know it was used in closed session therapy. I also know that MDMA triggers the brain to release serontonin which gives you the euphoria. I know seronontinin is respnsible for the communication between the synapses, I know serontonin helps regulate your mood, I know the reason people who pill too much and have bad short term memory is due to the serontonin just as I know it is that that gives you the Monday blues. I also know that prolonged intensive use of MDMA has resulted in deformities in the serontonin receptors but what that particular study concededed was despite the deformities, there were no reports of impairments on how the serontonin receptors behave.

I'm not familiar with bzp or tfmpp but what is your argument, that they're synthetic? Everything from the food I eat to the clothes I wear are synthetic.

Let's try and establish something here. Yes I agree drugs have side effects. I agree we don't fully know the extent of their effects. I also agree that I don't know what the food I consume will do to me 10-20 years down the road. I also agree that the pollution in the air probably contributes to my lifetime chronic sinus problem. And you know what? All that differentiates the illegal from the legal is the FDA and whatever bodies there are that condones these things. But I believe the powers that be who do condone these things don't have our interests or health as their priorities.

So if you look at it that way, the only thing that actually differentiates the illegal from the legal is the amount of studies and research, and the public perception.

You agree that alcohol and nicotine is bad for you. But you don't mind having a drink now and then.

I agree that MDMA and et al is bad for me, but I don't mind having a bender once a while.

So what really seperates them? Is it really the effects or harm they produce in the body and mind, or is it their legal status that differentiates them? Or is it simply your experience vs mine?

As I said, I've consumed all the shit I mentioned in all the ways I can think of besides shooting up, and I'm not fucking up my life nor my mind nor on the verge of suicide.

And why's that? It's my circumstances and my environment.

I don't actually enjoy smoking and I don't like the smell on my clothes nor my hands. I managed to stop for half a year and now I'm a social smoker. But I don't have a problem with that. When I smoke, I know it's cos I'm waiting for somebody and I'm fidgety, or cos I'm having a drink and smoking seems like a nice accompaniment.

I know smoking causes cancer, I know it's not cool, but what the hell, I'm just doing it for the heck of it sometimes, like, why not?

All I'm trying to say here is that, it's not a clear cut thing where it's bad, and someting else is good, there's no such black and white these days.

If you choose to indulge or experiment in anything, the onus is on YOU.

If you fuck up, it's YOU. If you have a dependancy, it's YOU. Don't blame it on anything else cos everything else is just an accessory.

Will you be less fucked up becaue you never touched weed or MDMA or acid or any contrband in your life? I doubt it. All it takes it the right trigger. Maybe a bit too much drink or some argument with friends or some relationship problem.

Because it was / is YOUR choice to choose an action and a substance as some extension or projection of your mental state.

Maybe you've failed to consider that there are heaps of people out there who remain completely functionaly besides the deviant lifestyles they lead.

Consider this, without knowing the quality of MDMA and substances people consume, without knowing how often people do them, you don't have enough of a statistical population to be drawing the kinda conclusions you're making.

Maybe you or others take 10 pills a night per person, and I only have 2. So the people who consume 10 are in dire straits, while I am perfectly fine here posting about this stuff.

So where is your basis for saying MDMA fucks up your brain? You don't know. All you have is your own experience and that of your immediate circle. Maybe you guys go at it too hard, and I just happen to take it easy.

But now if you replace MDMA with Coke. If you took the proportionate amount of Coke to have the same dire effects as MDMA, I'm sure your teeth would be all rotted out too. While all I have is not even perceptible.

[Shiva]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

WTF man ... dude you're saying all drugs like that are bad for you, so what about all the GMO food and processed food we consume? I mean, come on, the way you put it, LIFE is bad for you, it's fatal yo

^

(roflmao)

I don't have time to read it all now...but the first 3 lines are enough for me to get the pic...
feather, you're GOOD!

[unkownartist]

Re: Afterhours online....new trend?

^ Really? Well be my guest... What I have reported earlier is not my invention, it is a reality that has even been, and still is, very much documented on CNN for example or other world medias... So I am not understanding this "shot myself in the foot" thing.
But hey, if you insist on going "deeper" and typing another tons of letters, well be my guest , I am just kicking back and watching what you're saying.....
(i'm not saying "reading" what you're "typing" coz that's way to long for me to read at the moment: I'm preparing for my gigs).

chill it wasnt meant to be as harsh as it sounded....but if u take a look @ contries where drugs have been a stable supply of income for many many years you will see that there are usually majour issues with the way of life there.

WTF man ... dude you're saying all drugs like that are bad for you, so what about all the GMO food and processed food we consume? I mean, come on, the way you put it, LIFE is bad for you, it's fatal yo.

GM, thank you lmao

i rest my case...doesnt that tell you something about the people who are involved in drugs? how many times have u smoked skunk ?...what is skunk ? what is white widow ? what is 90% of the current cannabis crop supplied over europe and the rest of the world... GM CROSSBREAD FUCKING CROP U FUCKIN TOOL

I've read up enough on MDMA to know the politics behind it, and I know it wasn't used as an anti-depressant just as I know it was used in closed session therapy. I also know that MDMA triggers the brain to release serontonin which gives you the euphoria. I know seronontinin is respnsible for the communication between the synapses, I know serontonin helps regulate your mood, I know the reason people who pill too much and have bad short term memory is due to the serontonin just as I know it is that that gives you the Monday blues. I also know that prolonged intensive use of MDMA has resulted in deformities in the serontonin receptors but what that particular study concededed was despite the deformities, there were no reports of impairments on how the serontonin receptors behave.

I'm not familiar with bzp or tfmpp but what is your argument, that they're synthetic? Everything from the food I eat to the clothes I wear are synthetic.

synthetic food erm wtf ? i dont know about america but most people dont eat GM crops over here and if u know so much about SERATONIN and the damge it causes to the recptors then why take it....because it gives you short term pleasure ? hey thats fair enough but u'll get older before everyone else will and thats gonna hurt you more than anything ever has. have you ever thought about those people that are into self harm ?

Let's try and establish something here. Yes I agree drugs have side effects. I agree we don't fully know the extent of their effects. I also agree that I don't know what the food I consume will do to me 10-20 years down the road. I also agree that the pollution in the air probably contributes to my lifetime chronic sinus problem. And you know what? All that differentiates the illegal from the legal is the FDA and whatever bodies there are that condones these things. But I believe the powers that be who do condone these things don't have our interests or health as their priorities.

^ that my freind is the perfect example of how the drug scene mentality affects your way of thinking, it gives u a certain attitude because your always looking for a reason to why these drugs u so enjoy are infact illegal so u start looking around the world for other problems to have something to argue about when it gets down to it ...one day u will grow up feather and see that.

So if you look at it that way, the only thing that actually differentiates the illegal from the legal is the amount of studies and research, and the public perception.

You agree that alcohol and nicotine is bad for you. But you don't mind having a drink now and then.

ur missing a point in something u just said...why are they illegal if there has been no research on them....the facts are that there are probibly has been more study on the side effects of these drugs more than there has been of other drugs....alcohol is a devistating drug ( which i will be consuming tonight btw lmao ) as it not only destroy vitamin content in your body it also puts so much stress on ur body....now look @ way back in the day when drink was illegal, the governments then were all in the days when the gentleman still ruled the worlkd ( if u know what i meen by that ), governments then didnt know how to deal with criminal activity as well as they do now because it was a relitivly new things on a scale so large...there wasnt things like the fbi and everyone like that who specialise on things like that so it was left down to the guys in suits who have to run the country...do u honestly think governments around the world are going to make the same mistake as they did with alcohol ?

I agree that MDMA and et al is bad for me, but I don't mind having a bender once a while.

So what really seperates them? Is it really the effects or harm they produce in the body and mind, or is it their legal status that differentiates them? Or is it simply your experience vs mine?

As I said, I've consumed all the shit I mentioned in all the ways I can think of besides shooting up, and I'm not fucking up my life nor my mind nor on the verge of suicide.

And why's that? It's my circumstances and my environment.

true true and almost true, one day u will sit back and think...wtf was i doing...not everyone has circumstances such as your own feather, consider yourself one of the lucky ones, so are you saying that you should be special when it comes to considering everyone else in your country ?

I don't actually enjoy smoking and I don't like the smell on my clothes nor my hands. I managed to stop for half a year and now I'm a social smoker. But I don't have a problem with that. When I smoke, I know it's cos I'm waiting for somebody and I'm fidgety, or cos I'm having a drink and smoking seems like a nice accompaniment.

I know smoking causes cancer, I know it's not cool, but what the hell, I'm just doing it for the heck of it sometimes, like, why not?

thats personal choice but u have no sight as to what the future holds, one day ur circumstances may change and ur past will effect that if ur unlucky, i now think of life in that same way. you'd be happy to site and watch ur child smoking crack ? if u think about it thats exactly how our parents feel about u smoking weed or droping ex...whats the future ? the future is synthetic drugs so fucking powerfull that if the mentality of drug use isnt dealt with now the whole world will make the bronx look like a dog piss in the atlantic ocean.

All I'm trying to say here is that, it's not a clear cut thing where it's bad, and someting else is good, there's no such black and white these days.

If you choose to indulge or experiment in anything, the onus is on YOU.

If you fuck up, it's YOU. If you have a dependancy, it's YOU. Don't blame it on anything else cos everything else is just an accessory.

why do u take the risk then ? wanna end up like jibs avatar ? imagine what that would do to ur family.

Will you be less fucked up becaue you never touched weed or MDMA or acid or any contrband in your life? I doubt it. All it takes it the right trigger. Maybe a bit too much drink or some argument with friends or some relationship problem.

you cant really tell for sure

Because it was / is YOUR choice to choose an action and a substance as some extension or projection of your mental state.

Maybe you've failed to consider that there are heaps of people out there who remain completely functionaly besides the deviant lifestyles they lead.

Consider this, without knowing the quality of MDMA and substances people consume, without knowing how often people do them, you don't have enough of a statistical population to be drawing the kinda conclusions you're making.

Maybe you or others take 10 pills a night per person, and I only have 2. So the people who consume 10 are in dire straits, while I am perfectly fine here posting about this stuff.

So where is your basis for saying MDMA fucks up your brain? You don't know. All you have is your own experience and that of your immediate circle. Maybe you guys go at it too hard, and I just happen to take it easy.

i have already answered that above.

But now if you replace MDMA with Coke. If you took the proportionate amount of Coke to have the same dire effects as MDMA, I'm sure your teeth would be all rotted out too. While all I have is not even perceptible.

mdma is just as dangerous feather as it puts strain on ur blood vessels just like cocaine does even though cocaine is rather more dangerous doesnt meen to say that dropping a pill cant have the same effect.

look.... i,m no fucking scientist or anything and i dont claim to know everything about every toxic substance known to man, like you said ...its personal choice, you make your own mind up on ur own actions but when it comes tohaving to deal with things which require medical treetment or anything like that then its common sense that someone higher up the ladder than u has to make that choice for you.