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  • delirious
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    • Jun 2004
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    Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic!

    Typical. You don't see the democrats officially trying to block Republicans from voter rolls. The Bush Administration is paranoid because they know the public isn't with them anymore, and will do ANYTHING to win.

    Here Come the Dirty Tricks

    A truism of recent American elections is that high turnout favors Democrats. Hence Democrats are worried about Republican attempts to suppress the vote by way of "dirty tricks" and voter disenfranchisement.

    In an election constantly dubbed "the most important" in years, get-out-the-vote efforts have signed up record numbers of new voters in various states. On the other hand, there would be even more new voters registered if not for the ironically named Voters Outreach for America.

    A former employee told a television station that VOA, which was paid to collect signatures by the Republican National Committee, intentionally destroyed hundreds of registration forms in Nevada, trashing only those filled out by Democrats. VOA, which is run by former Arizona GOP chair Nathan Sproul, has also registered voters in Oregon, where the attorney general?s office is now investigating whether similar selective-ballot-destruction efforts took place there. As the New York Times editorialized:

    "Destroying voter registration forms is not merely an ugly political trick; it can be a felony. The Department of Justice, and the states of Nevada and Oregon, should quickly and thoroughly investigate these allegations, and look into any registration work being done by Voters Outreach and Mr. Sproul in other states. The charges should be pursued wherever they lead. Since the Republican Party was paying the bills, questions should be asked about what instructions it gave for its registration drives, and what it knew about the alleged malfeasance."

    In another swing state, New Hampshire, the regional chair of George Bush?s re-election campaign has had to step down because of his alleged role in a 2002 phone-jamming operation that prevented six Democratic get-out-the-vote offices from making outreach calls. In an election where now-GOP Sen. John Sununu narrowly defeated former Democratic governor Jeanne Shaheen, there?s no telling how much of an impact those dirty tricks had. And as the Portsmouth (N.H.) Herald explains, James Tobin?s resignation still leaves some questions unanswered:

    "The Democrats didn?t get to question GOP operatives under oath on Thursday because the Justice Department stepped in, declaring the testimony in the civil case might damage its ongoing criminal investigation. The Democrats cried foul, charging the Justice Department with protecting the Republican operatives, but clearly there was enough heat around the issue to force Tobin?s resignation.

    "Tobin adamantly denies any wrongdoing. ?These allegations date back two years and have absolutely nothing to do with the present campaign,? Tobin told The Associated Press. ?But to avoid any harm to the campaign from (the Democrats?) underhanded tactics, I elected earlier this week to step down.? Tobin?s comments are curious because his political affiliates, not the Democrats, pleaded guilty to "underhanded tactics," and he himself acknowledges that the only reason he is stepping down is to avoid damaging the Bush campaign, now deadlocked with U.S. Sen. John Kerry in the Granite State."

    Then there?s Pennsylvania, where Republicans are trying to relocate 63 Philadelphia polling places, 59 in largely minority neighborhoods. Republicans claim those polling places are not adequate for voters, but didn?t file their complaint until Friday. Since voters who go to the wrong polling place will not be able to vote, the last-minute nature of the complaint (which is expected to fail) sure makes it look like an attempt to suppress minority voting:

    "I've never witnessed a more wanton example of an effort to discourage minority voters from participating in an election," Kerry campaign spokesman Mark Nevins told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "It's despicable."

    Swing states aren?t the only ones where such tricks are being deployed. In some California counties, pollworkers are reportedly being trained not to offer voters the option of a paper ballot (and with it, a paper trail) even though the state makes that option available. According to the Electronic Frontier Foundation:

    "Ed Cherlin, a pollworker being trained in Santa Clara County, said he was very disturbed to learn that he was not supposed to mention the paper option. ?I object to the government telling me that I can't tell people about their rights,? he said. Representatives of the voting commissions in Orange County and Riverside confirm that they also will not be informing voters about the paper option at the polls. There are ten counties in California using paperless e-voting machines known as DREs. It is not clear at this time whether all ten are adopting similar policies."

    Beyond these tricks, there are concerns about the rules governing provisional ballots in Ohio and Florida, the possible intimidation of minority voters on Election Day, and the possibility of a new tactic from the brain of Karl Rove.

    The aforementioned examples have made headlines with two weeks still to go before the election. As the vote draws nearer, voters must confirm their registration and keep an eye out for more dirty tricks. In an election like this, irregularities at just a few polling places could decide the winner.

    GOP prepares to target Ohio voters

    Cleveland, OH, Oct. 23 (UPI) -- The Republican Party plans to station thousands of recruits at Ohio polling places during next month's election to challenge newly registered voters.

    One election officials said Ohio has never seen what's about to happen, the Cincinnati Enquirer reported Saturday.

    The Ohio Republican Party officially Friday challenged the validity of 35, 000 voter registrations across the state, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported.

    The Plain Dealer said voter registration groups, many with Democratic ties, have registered about 600,000 votes across Ohio.

    The massive GOP campaign has forced officials to prepare for unprecedented disruptions in the voting process, as well as alarm and complaints among voters, many of whom are expected to feel intimidated by the Republican effort.

    "I think it's sick that these Republicans are up to dirty tricks at the polls," said Ronald Magoteaux, a mechanical engineer from Dayton who agreed to be a poll-watcher on behalf of newly registered voters.

    Democratic Party operatives said the GOP effort was class warfare.

    "Their whole goal is to try to lessen the voter rank and file," said Jimmy Dimora, head of the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party, told the Plain Dealer.

    The Washington Times delivers breaking news and commentary on the issues that affect the future of our nation.
  • Balanc3
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    • Jun 2004
    • 1278

    #2
    Re: Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic

    they aren't the only party guilty of doing this - pathetic.
    JourneyDeep .into the sound

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    • LobsterClan
      Getting Somewhere
      • Aug 2004
      • 133

      #3
      Re: Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic

      Originally posted by Balanc3";p="
      they aren't the only party guilty of doing this - pathetic.
      Typical. If the Dems are guilty of voter suppression, let's see you link to a major news article that says so.

      Fact is, you're completely wrong.

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      • Balanc3
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        • Jun 2004
        • 1278

        #4
        Re: Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic

        Could you be any more biased Lobster, I mean shit your fucking Delirious.

        I don't need an article to prove my point. Facts your party invented voter suppression in the 1960's when John F. Kennedy and Chicago Mayor Dailey were able to rig voter machines and swing the election against Nixon. It was Illinois that decided that victory, however I believe the final count was around 125,000 votes. The machines were spitting out ballots in JFK's favor because the pin that punched the hole on the ballot would be in a fixed position. Typically, it wasn't discovered that the machines had been tampered with until months into Kennedy's term. I just like to base my facts on history rather than burden myself with the tabu of the current election. I tell you time again Lobster you need to follow history rather than base your opinion on modern day spin. If you want to speak of the current, look how much trouble the Demogoblins have been giving Nader. All the man wants is his name on the ballot in every state, is it too much to ask to let a third party speak? This country is already either too far left or too far right and I hate to have to settle for one or the other, but in this election I will be. Viva Bush Bitch.
        JourneyDeep .into the sound

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        • EvenSteven
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          • Sep 2004
          • 104

          #5
          ^OH SNAP!!! Lobsterclan just got SERVED!!!

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          • krelm
            Addiction started
            • Jun 2004
            • 437

            #6
            Re: Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic

            Originally posted by Balanc3";p="
            Facts your party invented voter suppression in the 1960's when John F. Kennedy and Chicago Mayor Dailey were able to rig voter machines and swing the election against Nixon.
            Actually, there is a history of voter intimidation (pretty much the same thing, eh?) in America that goes back farther than the Kennedy/Nixon election. Black males technically had the right to vote as far back as 1870, but I don't think there is any question how well that went for the first few decades. It was also very common practice in the late-1800s and early-1900s for intimidation tactics being used to assure an entire neighborhood in large cities voted a certain way. And that's not even counting a lot of the bullshit that went on with labor unions around election time.

            Not that what the some democrats did in '60 or what some republicans are doing in this election (or 2000) is in any way less despicable, but neither party owns "inventor" rights on this one. It's a common thread of any political system that involved elections that those who stand to gain from one side or another will often use tactics to prevent supporters of the other side from voting.

            If you want to speak of the current, look how much trouble the Demogoblins have been giving Nader. All the man wants is his name on the ballot in every state, is it too much to ask to let a third party speak?
            This is something I do find absolutely shameful. The fact that both major parties are subverting the democratic process (whether it be illegally or through "legal" means of just having more financial power to draw out court cases to keep a valid candidate off the ballot) just shows that neither of them truly represents democratic interests in America.

            Yay.

            The underhanded actions of the democrats against Nader have pretty much pushed me to be a non-voter out of protest to a Nader-voter out of protest. (at least Nader made it on the ballot in 34 states so far)
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            • EvenSteven
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              • Sep 2004
              • 104

              #7
              nice post.

              still, LOBESTERCLAN GOT CAPOWNED!!

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              • asdf_admin
                i use to be important
                • Jun 2004
                • 12798

                #8
                Re: Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic

                Lobie_Clams is so far on the scale I would almost call him a Pinko. Fuck it, he is a Pinko Commie Sob. Keep it up with the lies and propaganda, I hope the truth takes a shit on you soon.

                Happy Fake Times!
                dead, yet alive.

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                • Civic_Zen
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                  • Jun 2004
                  • 1116

                  #9
                  You crack me up asdf.
                  "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." - Tacitus (55-117 A.D.)
                  "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."
                  - Thomas Jefferson

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                  • delirious
                    Addiction started
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 288

                    #10
                    Re: Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic

                    Originally posted by Balanc3";p="
                    Could you be any more biased Lobster, I mean shit your fucking Delirious.

                    I don't need an article to prove my point. Facts your party invented voter suppression in the 1960's when John F. Kennedy and Chicago Mayor Dailey were able to rig voter machines and swing the election against Nixon. It was Illinois that decided that victory, however I believe the final count was around 125,000 votes. The machines were spitting out ballots in JFK's favor because the pin that punched the hole on the ballot would be in a fixed position. Typically, it wasn't discovered that the machines had been tampered with until months into Kennedy's term. I just like to base my facts on history rather than burden myself with the tabu of the current election. I tell you time again Lobster you need to follow history rather than base your opinion on modern day spin. If you want to speak of the current, look how much trouble the Demogoblins have been giving Nader. All the man wants is his name on the ballot in every state, is it too much to ask to let a third party speak? This country is already either too far left or too far right and I hate to have to settle for one or the other, but in this election I will be. Viva Bush Bitch.
                    There's a difference between stiking thousands of voters off the roll and legally stopping a candidate from being on the ballot. I'm sure you were aware of that but just felt like having a rant.

                    I'm astounded that no-one has said "Hey! Striking people off the roll? That's bad!" If someone was doing that in my country, I'd be rather pissed off. But you guys don't care. Just remember it's your freedoms Bush is destroying... not mine.

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                    • LobsterClan
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                      • Aug 2004
                      • 133

                      #11
                      Re: Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic

                      Originally posted by Balanc3";p="
                      Could you be any more biased Lobster, I mean shit your fucking Delirious.

                      I don't need an article to prove my point. Facts your party invented voter suppression in the 1960's when John F. Kennedy and Chicago Mayor Dailey were able to rig voter machines and swing the election against Nixon. It was Illinois that decided that victory, however I believe the final count was around 125,000 votes. The machines were spitting out ballots in JFK's favor because the pin that punched the hole on the ballot would be in a fixed position. Typically, it wasn't discovered that the machines had been tampered with until months into Kennedy's term. I just like to base my facts on history rather than burden myself with the tabu of the current election. I tell you time again Lobster you need to follow history rather than base your opinion on modern day spin. If you want to speak of the current, look how much trouble the Demogoblins have been giving Nader. All the man wants is his name on the ballot in every state, is it too much to ask to let a third party speak? This country is already either too far left or too far right and I hate to have to settle for one or the other, but in this election I will be. Viva Bush Bitch.
                      Again, extremely amusing. It's rather clear and obvious that the Republicans are performing extreme amounts of voter suppression, trying to stop minorities from voting in just about every single swing state. To equate this to both parties, you bring up incidents from 40 years ago, which have no real relevance to anything current. Furthermore, in the 60s, Democrats were NOT suppressing votes, trying to stop people from voting-- they were buying people votes, extremely different ideas.

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                      • LobsterClan
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                        • Aug 2004
                        • 133

                        #12
                        Re: Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic

                        The underhanded actions of the democrats against Nader have pretty much pushed me to be a non-voter out of protest to a Nader-voter out of protest. (at least Nader made it on the ballot in 34 states so far)
                        Straight up, I like Nader's viewpoints. Him and I are extremely similar in ideology, much more similar than any of the other candidates. After hearing him speak in 2000, I voted for him-- in Florida.

                        Four years later, I realize that this was a grave mistake. While I really liked the Green Party and its progressive platform, this election cycle it's clear that it's all about Ralph Nader's ego. It's also clear that Nader was getting extreme help from the Repbulican party, as it was Republicans that were getting ballot signatures for him and doing campaigning for him as well.

                        It's rather obvious that in 2004, much as in 2000, a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. Nader fully admits that the Bush presidency has been disastrous, and needs to be put to a stop-- if he really believes this he would have dropped out of this race long ago.

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                        • Balanc3
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                          • Jun 2004
                          • 1278

                          #13
                          Re: Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic

                          I'm astounded that no-one has said "Hey! Striking people off the roll? That's bad!" If someone was doing that in my country, I'd be rather pissed off. But you guys don't care. Just remember it's your freedoms Bush is destroying... not mine.
                          Your right I don't give a shit, frankly I feel striking a candidate off the ballot that DOES represent the people is shameful. BUT.... I do give a shit when the Supervisor of Elections keeps throwing the election, by *losing 60,000 early votes- both Democrat and Republican and destroying the entire election process. There are different problems in each state. This happened in Broward County, Florida. Its funny when you lecture us on personal freedoms when the government of South Africa was one of the most racist and corrupted governments in the world. Quit posting your biased articles and give us something we can all enjoy.
                          JourneyDeep .into the sound

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                          • asdf_admin
                            i use to be important
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 12798

                            #14
                            Re: Republicans back to their dirty little tricks - Pathetic

                            kids know best ...

                            dead, yet alive.

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                            • LobsterClan
                              Getting Somewhere
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 133

                              #15
                              No mess could be worse than the collective mess in Washington at this moment.

                              Worst. Administration. Ever.

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