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  • shosh
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    • Jun 2004
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    ron paul endorses chuck baldwin (not one of the baldwin brothers)

    New Alliance - By Dr. Ron Paul


    Friends - please read this new and important piece by Dr. Paul.
    The press conference at the National Press Club had a precise purpose. It was to expose, to as many people as possible, the gross deception of our presidential election process. It is controlled by the powerful elite to make sure that neither candidate of the two major parties will challenge the status quo. There is no real choice between the two major parties and their nominees, only the rhetoric varies. The amazingly long campaign is designed to make sure the real issues are ignored. The quotes I used at the press conference from insider Carroll Quigley and the League of Women voters strongly support this contention.

    Calling together candidates from the liberal, conservative, libertarian and progressive constituencies, who are all opposed to this rigged process, was designed to alert the American people to the uselessness of continuing to support a process that a claims that one’s only choice is to choose the lesser of two evils and reject a principle vote that might challenge the status quo as a wasted vote.

    In both political education and organization, coalitions are worthwhile and necessary to have an impact. “Talking to the choir” alone achieves little. I have always approached political and economic education with a “missionary” zeal by inviting any group in on issues we agree upon.
    This opens the door to legitimate discourse with the hope of winning new converts to the cause of liberty. This strategy led to the press conference with the four candidates agreeing to the four principles we believe are crucial in challenging the political system that has evolved over many years in this country.
    This unique press conference, despite the surprising, late complication from the Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate, hopefully will prove to be historically significant.
    This does not mean that I expect to get Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney to become libertarians, nor do they expect me to change my mind on the issues on which we disagree. In the meantime, why can’t we be friends, respectful of each other, and fight the corrupt process from which we suffer, and at the same time champion the four issues that we all agree upon which the two major candidates won’t address?
    Many practical benefits can come from this unique alliance. Our cause is liberty —freedom is popular and is the banner that brings people together. Since authoritarianism divides, we always have the edge in an intellectual fight. Once it’s realized that the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity are best achieved with our views, I’m convinced we win by working with others. Those who don’t want to collaborate are insecure with their own beliefs.
    In the past two years at the many rallies where I talked and shook hands with literally thousands of people, I frequently asked them what brought them to our campaign. There were many answers: the Constitution, my consistency, views on the Federal Reserve, the war, and civil liberties. The crowds were overwhelmingly made up of young people.
    Oftentimes I welcomed the diverse groups that came, mentioning that the crowd was made up of Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Liberals and Progressives with each group applauding. Even jokingly, I recognized the “anarchists” and that, too, was met with some applause. In conversations, many admitted to having been Democrats and members of the Green Party and supporters of Ralph Nader, yet they came to agree with us on all the issues once the entire philosophy was understood. That’s progress.
    Principled people are not shy in participating with others and will defend their beliefs on their merits. Liberals and progressives are willing to align themselves with us on the key issues of peace, civil liberties, debt and the Federal Reserve. That’s exciting and very encouraging, and it means we are making progress. The big challenge, however, is taking on the establishment, and the process that is so well entrenched. But we can’t beat the entrenched elite without the alliance of all those who have been disenfranchised.
    Ironically the most difficult group to recruit has been the evangelicals who supported McCain and his pro-war positions. They have been convinced that they are obligated to initiate preventive war in the Middle East for theological reasons. Fortunately, this is a minority of the Christian community, but our doors remain open to all despite this type of challenge. The point is, new devotees to the freedom philosophy are more likely to come from the left than from those conservatives who have been convinced that God has instructed us to militarize the Middle East.
    Although we were on the receiving end of ridicule in the reporting of the press conference, I personally was quite satisfied with the results. True revolutions are not won in a week, a month, or even a year. They take time. But we are making progress, and the momentum remains and is picking up. The Campaign for Liberty is alive and well, and its growth and influence will continue. Obviously the press conference could have been even more successful without the last-minute change of heart by the Libertarian Party candidate by not participating. He stated that his support for the four points remains firm. His real reason for not coming, nor letting me know until forty minutes before the press conference started, is unknown to me. To say the least, I was shocked and disappointed.
    Yet in the long run, this last-minute change in plans will prove to be of little importance. I’m convinced that problems like this always seem bigger at the moment, yet things usually work out in the end. Recovering from the mistakes and shortcomings of all that we do in this effort is not difficult if the message is right and our efforts are determined. And I’m convinced they are. That’s what will determine our long-term success, not the shortcomings of any one person.
    The Libertarian Party Candidate admonished me for “remaining neutral” in the presidential race and not stating whom I will vote for in November. It’s true; I have done exactly that due to my respect and friendship and support from both the Constitution and Libertarian Party members. I remain a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party and I’m a ten-term Republican Congressman. It is not against the law to participate in more then one political party. Chuck Baldwin has been a friend and was an active supporter in the presidential campaign.
    I continue to wish the Libertarian and Constitution Parties well. The more votes they get, the better. I have attended Libertarian Party conventions frequently over the years.
    In some states, one can be on the ballots of two parties, as they can in New York. This is good and attacks the monopoly control of politics by Republicans and Democrats. We need more states to permit this option. This will be a good project for the Campaign for Liberty, along with the alliance we are building to change the process.
    I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate.


    http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/?p=582
  • 88Mariner
    My dick is smaller
    • Nov 2006
    • 7128

    #2
    Re: ron paul endorses chuck baldwin (not one of the baldwin brothers)

    i've lost much respect for Paul and his pissing matches with the LP. He's opted to endorse a theocrat who clearly has very little in common with paul on terms of Liberty. While they may agree on a few things, Baldwin is nothing but a christocrat. A vote for Baldwin is like a vote for Palin.

    god fucking damnit.
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    • thesightless
      Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
      • Jun 2004
      • 13567

      #3
      Re: ron paul endorses chuck baldwin (not one of the baldwin brothers)

      caouldnt have said it better..... we need to force the third fourth and fifth options back into the spotlight, and bring back the issues.

      Calling together candidates from the liberal, conservative, libertarian and progressive constituencies, who are all opposed to this rigged process, was designed to alert the American people to the uselessness of continuing to support a process that a claims that one’s only choice is to choose the lesser of two evils and reject a principle vote that might challenge the status quo as a wasted vote.
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      • i!!ustrious
        I got some N64 Games Yo!!
        • Mar 2008
        • 12308

        #4
        Re: ron paul endorses chuck baldwin (not one of the baldwin brothers)

        " wtf ron, way to noob it up and fail ron.

        meh. let dj holy ghost appeal to the blind jesus freaks, not you ron. "
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        • 88Mariner
          My dick is smaller
          • Nov 2006
          • 7128

          #5
          Re: ron paul endorses chuck baldwin (not one of the baldwin brothers)

          Let me clarify my statements for a second, cause I know i can come across as harsh on such topics as religion mating with politics.

          All rights stem from property rights, not from some invisible faith-requireing diety. Saying rights come from God is only ‘slightly’ more atrocious than saying rights come from government. Chuck Baldwin, who amounts to a fundamentalist christian, obviously believes in the later; just read his platform. He should seriously change his slogan to: Chuck Baldwin: Christ Before Country.

          If Ron Paul is closer to Chuck Baldwin than I originally thought, then I may have to rethink my support for Paul. Yet, everything I have read on him indicates he is not for the zealous advocacy of Christianity as the doctrine from which legislation and rights must come from. Aside from the abortion issue (ie women's rights) which I strongly disagreed with him but supported his idea that it should be left to the states to decide, Paul was pretty spot on on everything he said, all of which was backed by hard evidence, testimony from experts, his own studies into matters, and none of it ever came to using christian doctrine to substantiate his claims. Baldwin, to the contrary, uses God as an argument for at least half of his claims.

          Paul obviously agrees with Baldwin on some key issues, as do I. Baldwin does have some redeeming qualities, but I strongly feel that he's simply copied Paul's vision and pasted his name under it.

          Yet, Paul and Baldwin clearly (so far as one can tell) disagree on the very principles behind freedom, which is to say, is like seeing eye-to-eye with telescopes across a canyon.

          in a short phrase, Chuck Baldwin makes Sarah Palin look like Ayn Rand.
          you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky

          it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles

          Am I somewhere....in the corners of your mind....

          ----PEACE-----

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          • i!!ustrious
            I got some N64 Games Yo!!
            • Mar 2008
            • 12308

            #6
            Re: ron paul endorses chuck baldwin (not one of the baldwin brothers)

            so is this a "unholy alliance" then, for the time being?

            is like seeing eye-to-eye with telescopes across a canyon.
            that was a good one
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            • 88Mariner
              My dick is smaller
              • Nov 2006
              • 7128

              #7
              Re: ron paul endorses chuck baldwin (not one of the baldwin brothers)

              Originally posted by w0e & cri5is
              so is this a "unholy alliance" then, for the time being?



              that was a good one

              heh. thanks. took me like five minutes to come up with a decent analogy.

              I don't see this as an unholy alliance. Paul endorsed Baldwin for two reasons. 1, because they see eye to eye on a few things like banking, foreign policy, and such. This is why Paul had coordinated the third-party meeting the other day. 2, was that Barr did not show up to that third-party televised conference.

              Let me continue to expand on this topic. Paul has a lot more in common with Barr than he does with Baldwin. Paul has never aligned himself with the CP, and has spent most of his life in and around the LP. What I infer from this is that Paul dissed Barr not because of political reasons, but because he got slighted by Barr for not showing up. I think it's incredibly stupid to play "who's my best friend" in regards to principled politics. I think the reason why Paul waited so long to endorse someone was because he was holding out for Barr, but the whole missing-the-conference thing kinda made him backtrack. In fact, the whole Revolution Convention would have been an EXCELLENT time to endorse Baldwin, and Paul lost a lot of moment that he could have gained by not doing so at that time.

              For Practical purposes, Baldwin is fine. He's not going to be elected. And it's good that he's stealing away and educating ex-republican conservatives who are jaded with the disastrous War-First ideology they support: (consider for a moment that Lieberman gave a key speech at the RNC, despite having nothing in common with republicans, save for irrational interventionism. then look at Paul who is strong to the Republicans on everything BUT the war, and you realize that the only thing the Republicans have going for them is war. they couldn't care about anything else).

              So, for practical purposes, Baldwin, i guess, is some slight benefit to battle the war machine. I think Barr, and particularly the LP, have so much more support and networks that are more credible and more time-honed than anything Baldwin or the CP party has done.

              btw, go read some of Baldwins articles on his website.
              you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky

              it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles

              Am I somewhere....in the corners of your mind....

              ----PEACE-----

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              • i!!ustrious
                I got some N64 Games Yo!!
                • Mar 2008
                • 12308

                #8
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                Kk, I'll read em' later on. I'm starting to understand the situation better now, thanx for the clarity btw. I'm subscribed to the Barr Campaign e-mail notification, but would it be inappropriate to query here as to why Barr missed the conference? Regards.

                PS. What is going to happen with the whole Texas ballot thing?
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                • 88Mariner
                  My dick is smaller
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 7128

                  #9
                  Re: ron paul endorses chuck baldwin (not one of the baldwin brothers)

                  Originally posted by w0e & cri5is
                  Kk, I'll read em' later on. I'm starting to understand the situation better now, thanx for the clarity btw. I'm subscribed to the Barr Campaign e-mail notification, but would it be inappropriate to query here as to why Barr missed the conference? Regards.

                  PS. What is going to happen with the whole Texas ballot thing?

                  The texas judiciary will bend backwards and break the rules and put McCain and Obama on the ballots.

                  As for what happened with Barr and the conference, reading between the lines (because you've got two sides bitching at each other) tell me this: Barr didn't like the fact that Paul was endorsing a Socialist (McKinney) and Nader (A quasi-socialist anti-capitalist pro-constitution dude). He probably had a beef with Baldwin too, but I'm not so sure at this point, yet do check out the lp.org website and you'll see a breakdown in differences between the LP and the CP: there's a chart on there, i forget the link.

                  Anyways, so Barr missed it probably because he thought he should not be in that conference because to do so would giver deference and credibility to the other campaigns, which I think most agree are fourth-parties with all due respect. It would have given the GOP the ammo they need to shut down anyone thinking of switching to the LP or Ron Paul's campaign. Do recall all the shit that McKinney has done, and all of the shit Nader has done. Then, through the GOP's lovely guilt-by-association tactics, smears Barr and the LP. Also, I think Paul made these decisions on his own, and without a staff tinkering around with what could happen. The Campaign For Liberty really lost itself when he did this press conference. There's a difference between supporting those who are third parties who agree with you on a few things, and those same parties that disagree with you on 90% of everything else left on the table.

                  After all has been said and done, I think Barr did hurt himself a little bit by not showing up, but I think he could have lost a lot more by showing up. It's also rediculous that so many people are choosing who to vote for basedon what Paul says. It's antithetical to anything he's stood for, that is, think for yourself.
                  you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky

                  it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles

                  Am I somewhere....in the corners of your mind....

                  ----PEACE-----

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                  • i!!ustrious
                    I got some N64 Games Yo!!
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 12308

                    #10
                    Re: ron paul endorses chuck baldwin (not one of the baldwin brothers)

                    So from my perception of all this, Barr is pretty much 'sticking to his guns' with wise discernment that differentiates his adamant values from certain fourth party agendas, and thought patterns... that is considerable and impressive IMHO.

                    I can see why the GOP would have sniped him on those choices. Assuming that his Campaign will obviously not win the election, it will still inevitably make a stance and establish fool proof policies that will foster support in the future, this seems smart.

                    All these actions that he has made do come across as well contemplated choices in distinction to the diluted coercion and appeasement that Obummer and McClame have been playing.

                    Additionally, this is just a given fundamental thought I've been having here for a while, that should be remembered: The government sure has played its cards unduly wrong -- with the law of economy -- during this accelerated age of boon and growth no doubt. I think that they are enabling greed and rank, unfair materialism with these bailouts, and that these decisions have completely decimated the equilibrium of balanced capitalism in this country. I see this from a entrepreneurs/small business owners standpoint. Shit, equal opportunity for fiscal achievement has pretty much been abolished by such culprits. Has not the near-prime lending been a obvious indicator of such a folly...

                    Could we be seeing a substantial system of barter and gold taking hold in the future years?

                    I like this video in retrospect to the prevelent issue forsures.

                    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nXK9LR-_6o[/youtube]

                    Checking the sites as we speak by the way.
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