100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

[sacredawe78]

they are hiding behind there women and children.. its sad but you can't let them just go around bombing war ships(USS Cole) and blowing up embassies around the world or flying planes into skyscrapers..why fuck with the biggest super power in the world.. they had it coming just like Iran has it coming and North Korea and Egypt and Syria and Lebanon.. watch over the course of the next 4 years they will have hit a couple more of them.. what some americans can can't wrap there pea little brain around is that every minute they get there foamy late from starbucks or Big Mac someone out there is trying to kill them.. they complain now but will they complain when the Mc Donald's blows up with there relatives in it.. i think not.. just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean that they aren't trying.. I wish for peace as well but you have to understand is if they had a nuclear weapon they would use it in a heart beat.. we have them and they tempt us to use them but for some reason we don't.. When they would be completely justified if they did..just to show DON"T FUCK WITH US!!! If they fuck with Russia watch what happens.. Russia doesn't care and they know that.. that's why they don't mess with Russia.. Russia in the next little while will drive right over Chechnya.. they were going to do it a while ago but the USA stopped themm.. USA won't stop them now.. Bye Chechnya...

You hav absolutely no fucking clue what is going on in Russia...the Chechens have been the subject of some of the most heinous human rights violations for years....Putin, former KGB, extreme nationalist, is a fucking murderer....please read these two books

Age of Delerium - David Satter

Black Earth - Andrew Meier

they will help elucidate what is and has been going on over there...i promise you what you see in the media is only the very tip of the iceberg

the Chechens are wrong for being terrorists...but you have to undertand what the hell they have been through to know how to resolve the problem

Putin will stop at nothing to show the world that Russia will maintain authority over all its various tribes/ethnicities...and that is only going to continue strife, much like it will continue in Palestine/Israel

Yeltsin couldnt do it because the military was so underfunded and weak after the coup....but Putin has the mafia on his side...the black market...the control over most of the districts in Russia (parliamentary control)

the Chechens have been the subject of terror long before they started getting into Islamic extremism, (Wahabism)

please learn more before you trust the media...you are so brainwashed

careful what you say...Putin and Bush are very much like

[evangelion]

Re: 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

Thanks George Bush :cry: :cry:
He?s the man that caused this sad war

Yeah..and Saddam kidnapping, torturing and gassing his own people had nothing to do with right??? Just an innocent victim of the big, bad, war crazy USA right??? STFU!!! If we didn't go over there and something major happened all you fucks would be saying "Why didn't the USA stop him" or "Look at the USA living in there big houses and driving their fast cars, while the Iraqis suffer. How could they do nothing" or "How could the US not help when he is killing his own people???"

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. You get used to it after awhile.

[LobsterClan]

Re: 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

Yeah..and Saddam kidnapping, torturing and gassing his own people

It's so ridiculous when you right-wingers constantly quote the "he gassed his own people" argument. Back when he did gas his own people, he was our ally, and he had our full support.

[asdf_admin]

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[Yao]

Uh...Um...there's some spoken war going on here. Whaddever.

How many terrorists were in Iraq before the 'Liberation'? I bet it wasn't 100.000. So I think killing so may many people to get such a small group of people is a bit overreacted, not? 'Collateral Damage' My Ass.

Terrorists hide amongst the people, finding them and getting rid of them is a dirty job that takes a lot of time, I know. But go ask all the dead people if they think it was worth the sacrifice. I think even their skeletal remains will give you the finger for an answer.

Fighting terrorism is a job for Intelligence bureaus and special forces that can operate on a small scale and take out single targets. With them you don't need to throw the apple away to get rid of the rotten spots: you can scoop them out.

[evangelion]

Yeah..and Saddam kidnapping, torturing and gassing his own people

It's so ridiculous when you right-wingers constantly quote the "he gassed his own people" argument. Back when he did gas his own people, he was our ally, and he had our full support.

Say what you want man...doesn't change the fact.

We supported him in killing 1,000 of Kurds??? And you try to talk about "you right wingers??" You Lefties and your conspiracy theories are what is ridiculous.

Fighting terrorism is a job for Intelligence bureaus and special forces that can operate on a small scale and take out single targets.

I couldn't agree with this more. All of this "This is unlike any war we've fought before" talk and they're still using tanks and airstrikes. When I first had thoughts on how this war was going to play out I envisioned a totally Spiecal Ops, Splinter Cell kinda war. I agree that the so-called "collateral damage" is completely unacceptable, and I figured this kind of war would have been employed to minimize this very thing. But it hasn't, and I'm not going to let that sway my opinion on the war.

[LobsterClan]

We supported him in killing 1,000 of Kurds??? And you try to talk about "you right wingers??" You Lefties and your conspiracy theories are what is ridiculous.

There is no conspiracy here. Read your history buddy. In fact, we sold Iraq the helicopters used to drop the gas on the Kurds, and while the Senate voted and approved a bill that would have cut off from Iraq U.S. loans, military and non-military assistance, credits, credit guarantees, items subject to export controls, and U.S. imports of Iraqi oil, it was killed by the Reagan administration.

I urge you to visit this site which heavily documents all US dealings with Iraq from 1980 to 1990: http://www.casi.org.uk/info/usdocs/usiraq80s90s.html

While you're at it, read this one: http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0802-01.htm

Maybe you'll learn something.

[runningman]

that is the obvious answer to say that they should use special forces.. it is a really nice thought that i'm sure the american government has tried.. but the reality is that these people are very loyal to their leaders and won't tell.. so how do u get info. out of them.. you can't you have to take over and plant CIA seeds into the arab nation.. through afghanistan and now iraq will be a good home base to invade all the other countries around it..

[sacredawe78]

im with the lobster on this one...

the empirical data supports his argument

[mylexicon]

We supported him in killing 1,000 of Kurds??? And you try to talk about "you right wingers??" You Lefties and your conspiracy theories are what is ridiculous.

There is no conspiracy here. Read your history buddy. In fact, we sold Iraq the helicopters used to drop the gas on the Kurds, and while the Senate voted and approved a bill that would have cut off from Iraq U.S. loans, military and non-military assistance, credits, credit guarantees, items subject to export controls, and U.S. imports of Iraqi oil, it was killed by the Reagan administration.

I urge you to visit this site which heavily documents all US dealings with Iraq from 1980 to 1990: http://www.casi.org.uk/info/usdocs/usiraq80s90s.html

While you're at it, read this one: http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0802-01.htm

Maybe you'll learn something.

Lol. It's our fault becuase we SOLD Iraq military equipment. Lol that's weaker
than the connections the 9/11 commission found between Osama and Saddam. However, I do agree we are
partially responsible for Saddam's power and since we caused the problem
we are responsible for fixing it. We tried to fix it in GWI and Clinton pretended
like he cared when Iraq dodged U.N. inspectors.

BTW anybody wanna get some data on how many people were suffering
becuase of U.N. sanctions. Funny thing is, those sanctions never hurt Saddam.
At least this rumble in the desert did.

[discojoe]

[quote="sacredawe78"][quote="runningman"]

apparently there IS some stupid people in canada

of course there are like everywhere else. its just a kid looking for a reaction you know that. just don't bother replying.

[runningman]

hey i'm no kid.. ^^ .. i just get very angry with people that make stupid coments.. i feel very strongly that they want to kill us.. this happens every couple hundred years.. the muslims grow and then the christians kill them.. nobody can get a long with the muslims.. look at china now.. so look at your real history.. let me ask you smart old people in here why haven't the major muslim clerics come out and told the muslim nation to turn over bin laden and his gang?? How can their religion support the taliban and woman are nothing?? Look at the pope and what he leads.. where everyone is equal.. muslim supported the taliban and saddam who killed his own people?? The pope would be more vocal if bush made all the woman in USA stay home and had no rights.. So be careful what you are against and what u support. What is your plan then gentleman??

[LobsterClan]

Lol. It's our fault becuase we SOLD Iraq military equipment. Lol that's weaker
than the connections the 9/11 commission found between Osama and Saddam. However, I do agree we are
partially responsible for Saddam's power and since we caused the problem
we are responsible for fixing it. We tried to fix it in GWI and Clinton pretended
like he cared when Iraq dodged U.N. inspectors.

BTW anybody wanna get some data on how many people were suffering
becuase of U.N. sanctions. Funny thing is, those sanctions never hurt Saddam.
At least this rumble in the desert did.

Damn brother, you seemed more knowledgeable than this. I did not ever claim that because we sold equipment we are responsible. I merely pointed out the fact that the gas dropped on the kurds were from helicopters purchased from us. The meat of the post was the fact that while the Senate voted to put sanctions on Iraq following the gassing of the Kurds, the White House esentially vetoed that position, and did nothing, leaving Saddam as he was:: our ally.

As for the inspectors, you again seem to be grossly misinformed. Believe it or not, Saddam had pretty good reason to throw the inspectors out-- they were US spies! When US spies are brought in under the guise of UN inspectors-- I feel Saddam had a good reason to be pissed.

[ftc]

Re: 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

I remember feeling uncomfortable when bush held his first press conference after reelection. He said with almost in a sickening humourist way that with this re-election he has gained capital (political capital) and that he now intended to use it -- that it was his style. You think the bodycount up until now was bad, wait until the operations on felluja are in full effect! I can't find words to express my feelings for the suffering people of Iraq. A country that was once the milestone of great culture and civilization is now nothing but a target-practice range for war-driven governments.

This comeback, which is so commonly used, that thanks to the US, Saddam is removed and the world is a better place. Well, news flash ignoramuses, nobody apointed the US world police! We have an organization for international situations that has lost all its credibility and influence thanks to the US and its unilateral decissions.

My prayers are with the suffering innocent civilians. There is so much despair overlooking the future. Africa is a ticking bomb, believe me once the mideast is torn up and divided among powers the media will have no option than covering the grewsome story there...

humanity will surface only when we stop putting a price on freedom and liberty!

ps. I suggest to those of you lucky enough to have found your way to an openminded innovative board like [ms] and still can support what is going on, please take advantage of educating yourself among the majority who despise it.

[sacredawe78]

hey i'm no kid.. ^^ .. i just get very angry with people that make stupid coments.. i feel very strongly that they want to kill us.. this happens every couple hundred years.. the muslims grow and then the christians kill them.. nobody can get a long with the muslims.. look at china now.. so look at your real history.. let me ask you smart old people in here why haven't the major muslim clerics come out and told the muslim nation to turn over bin laden and his gang?? How can their religion support the taliban and woman are nothing?? Look at the pope and what he leads.. where everyone is equal.. muslim supported the taliban and saddam who killed his own people?? The pope would be more vocal if bush made all the woman in USA stay home and had no rights.. So be careful what you are against and what u support. What is your plan then gentleman??

christianity and islam are BOTH stupid religions responsible for millions of deaths...i wouldt waste your time trying to say one is better than the other