this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

[shosh]

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wll being that every other dem politician who has been in deep shit, just by being of the same political party is asociated with obama, wouldnt that apply to mccain?

all of those republicans that have been involved in sex scandals are not friends of mccains, i mean, theyre all republicans, theyve must of met??

Bruce Barclay
Matthey Elliot
Vitto Fossella
Robert Mckee
Daniel Thompson


now, if you point out any politician in america they all are or have been asociated with someone shady in their past, now, that doesnt mean that just because you know a fucking racist, that makes you a racist, no my friend, life doesnt work that way.

lol ok bro

[toasty]

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all of those republicans that have been involved in sex scandals are not friends of mccains, i mean, theyre all republicans, theyve must of met??

Bruce Barclay
Matthey Elliot
Vitto Fossella
Robert Mckee
Daniel Thompson

You forgot Bob Allen, McCain's Florida campaign co-chair who was convicted of solicitation of prostitution with a male prostitute.

[sammwalk]

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lol ok bro

So are you giving up on your point here and saying that both Democrats and Republicans, like most Americans, know somebody who knows some bad people?

[toasty]

Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

So are you giving up on your point here and saying that both Democrats and Republicans, like most Americans, know somebody who knows some bad people?

doubtful. I would bet you anything that shosh had never heard of Bill Ayers and had no idea that a former member of the Weather Underground was currently a professor at the University of Illinois Chicago before this election, but it's now the biggest deal in the world to him because he's tangentially related to the Democratic nominee. Makes no difference if you could play the same game with McCain -- not that we would, because it's just plain silly...

[shosh]

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So are you giving up on your point here and saying that both Democrats and Republicans, like most Americans, know somebody who knows some bad people?

no i just decided to stop writing because of the blindness here. if you still dont know about obama, his ties, influences, etc and choose to think "who cares if he always hangs out with this guy, are in the same projects, are close friends" than im wasting time

doubtful. I would bet you anything that shosh had never heard of Bill Ayers and had no idea that a former member of the Weather Underground was currently a professor at the University of Illinois Chicago before this election, but it's now the biggest deal in the world to him because he's tangentially related to the Democratic nominee. Makes no difference if you could play the same game with McCain -- not that we would, because it's just plain silly...

then you would lose that bet. my wife's family is from just outside chicago so I've known about him for a very long time...
and yes its a big deal that he hangs out with obama, he should be in jail. he was a terrorist ffs and feels no remorse?

[sammwalk]

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doubtful. I would bet you anything that shosh had never heard of Bill Ayers and had no idea that a former member of the Weather Underground was currently a professor at the University of Illinois Chicago before this election, but it's now the biggest deal in the world to him because he's tangentially related to the Democratic nominee. Makes no difference if you could play the same game with McCain -- not that we would, because it's just plain silly...

Exactly. I don't go trying to dig up stuff on McCain, even though I'm sure it exists, because that's not what important. So this stuff on Obama's past just doesn't hit home.

I am being honest, though, that when I say I have an open mind about this stuff. Let's see some facts.

[sammwalk]

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no i just decided to stop writing because of the blindness here. if you still dont know about obama, his ties, influences, etc and choose to think "who cares if he always hangs out with this guy, are in the same projects, are close friends" than im wasting time

Okay, so how can you then ignore the people that McCain is in bed with, as previously posted? I'm willing to concede, for the sake of argument, that Barry had some dirty dealings (though I don't believe it). But you can't be okay with one side's "criminal ties" and not okay with the other.

[shosh]

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Exactly. I don't go trying to dig up stuff on McCain, even though I'm sure it exists, because that's not what important. So this stuff on Obama's past just doesn't hit home.

I am being honest, though, that when I say I have an open mind about this stuff. Let's see some facts.

give me a few to go through my bookmarks

[thesightless]

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shosh, you are hurting your own cause here. every politician has shady friends. yes, obama has some seriously shady people in that they were the actual acting parties in some bad stuff, but mccain's supporters are just as bad/even worse in that they were involved in plannign much larger bad events.

[shosh]

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shosh, you are hurting your own cause here. every politician has shady friends. yes, obama has some seriously shady people in that they were the actual acting parties in some bad stuff, but mccain's supporters are just as bad/even worse in that they were involved in plannign much larger bad events.

much larger bad events than a terrorist plot against your own country?

[thesightless]

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the ppl obama knows planned small scale bombings and violence. dick cheney planned for no less than 4 invasions.

[thesightless]

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You forgot Bob Allen, McCain's Florida campaign co-chair who was convicted of solicitation of prostitution with a male prostitute.

lmao, you just reminded me of something that was said by either bill mahr, dennis miller, or lewis black.

in the last 3 years, for all the scandals that democratic politicians had (drugs, fraud, theft, other), the republicans, at the federal level, and this is the party with the "morals" , have had no less than 28 politicians or advisors go down on either prostituion, gay sex, or child rape charges.

not that hte crimes are funny, but the high and mighty group is losing its own to exactly what it fights out in public

[k3n3]

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every politician has shady friends. yes, obama has some seriously shady people in that they were the actual acting parties in some bad stuff

shosh,
unfortunately we won't know the extent of the "shady" influence that brought the dear leader to power, until after the election... also (after he has conquered america), there will be so much "hope" and "change" taking place, there will be no need for investigations into illegal fund raising practices...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/162403

"This summer, watchdog groups asked both campaigns to share more information about its small donors. The McCain campaign agreed; the Obama campaign did not."

[toasty]

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shosh,
unfortunately we won't know the extent of the "shady" influence that brought the dear leader to power, until after the election... also (after he has conquered america), there will be so much "hope" and "change" taking place, there will be no need for investigations into illegal fund raising practices...

http://www.newsweek.com/id/162403

"This summer, watchdog groups asked both campaigns to share more information about its small donors. The McCain campaign agreed; the Obama campaign did not."

Are you suggesting that Obama is skirting the $2300 limit by having donors write one big check, and then follow up with dozens and dozens of small, untraceable contributions? If so, you don't know a hell of a lot about the realities of political fundraising. The people that are maxing out their contributions aren't interested in dicking around with this, they'll just write a bigger check to the DNC.

As I recall, the Obama campaign opting not to do this was based primarily upon the administrative chore it would be to compile this information, which is a byproduct of having an overwhelming number of small donors. Maybe, from the standpoint of avoiding the appearance of impropriety, he should have gone ahead and done it, but it doesn't necessarily follow that just because the GOP is raising questions about it, there must be something shady going on.

[k3n3]

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Are you suggesting that Obama is skirting the $2300 limit by having donors write one big check, and then follow up with dozens and dozens of small, untraceable contributions?

Toasty,
uh, I thinks Newsweek was suggesting there was some shenanigans going on (or is that what "hope" and "change" looks like?)... did u happen to notice the little quote thingies and that little hyperlink thingumajig in my original post???


http://www.newsweek.com/id/162403

"This summer, watchdog groups asked both campaigns to share more information about its small donors. The McCain campaign agreed; the Obama campaign did not."

And just in case you're in the dark on the current FEC investigations into BO's fundraising practices, I used something called "google" to dig up additional infos...

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=fec%20investigation&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn