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  • toasty
    Sir Toastiness
    • Jun 2004
    • 6585

    #31
    Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

    ^^ I grasp that, and I'm telling you I remember the event to which the Newsweek article refers and notwithstanding Newsweek's insinuation that there are "shenanigans" going on, I don't remember there being anything nefarious about it, nor was it even a big deal at the time (i.e., there was not a lot of pushback from the entity requesting the data when they declined to produce it). If it's what I'm thinking of, they are taking a non-event and trying to spin something out of it after the fact.

    As someone who has done some fundraising myself, I can tell you that incomplete or inaccurate donor data can come with the territory, and when you're dealing with smaller amounts that don't have the more stringent documentation requirements, it's pretty common that you wouldn't find out that the info you have is imperfect until it's too late to do anything about it. With that said, though, I can tell you that of all the campaigns I've worked on, the Obama campaign is the most stringent about playing by the rules -- that's not to say that other campaigns run fast and loose with them, but they are hypersensitive to any suggestion that they've gamed the system or skirted the rules and tend to err on the side of being overly cautious -- the thought process is that they are raising money at such an absurd pace, it doesn't make sense to put the campaign on the defensive over something like fundraising.

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    • shosh
      Banned
      • Jun 2004
      • 4668

      #32
      Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

      Originally posted by toasty
      ^^ I grasp that, and I'm telling you I remember the event to which the Newsweek article refers and notwithstanding Newsweek's insinuation that there are "shenanigans" going on, I don't remember there being anything nefarious about it, nor was it even a big deal at the time (i.e., there was not a lot of pushback from the entity requesting the data when they declined to produce it). If it's what I'm thinking of, they are taking a non-event and trying to spin something out of it after the fact.

      As someone who has done some fundraising myself, I can tell you that incomplete or inaccurate donor data can come with the territory, and when you're dealing with smaller amounts that don't have the more stringent documentation requirements, it's pretty common that you wouldn't find out that the info you have is imperfect until it's too late to do anything about it. With that said, though, I can tell you that of all the campaigns I've worked on, the Obama campaign is the most stringent about playing by the rules -- that's not to say that other campaigns run fast and loose with them, but they are hypersensitive to any suggestion that they've gamed the system or skirted the rules and tend to err on the side of being overly cautious -- the thought process is that they are raising money at such an absurd pace, it doesn't make sense to put the campaign on the defensive over something like fundraising.

      toasty - off-topic: are you looking to get involved more seriously in politics? byh seriously i mean taking positions or running for offices, and so forth? (unless you are already and I'm not aware). not with the purpose of flaming, just curious

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      • toasty
        Sir Toastiness
        • Jun 2004
        • 6585

        #33
        Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

        Originally posted by shosh
        toasty - off-topic: are you looking to get involved more seriously in politics? byh seriously i mean taking positions or running for offices, and so forth? (unless you are already and I'm not aware). not with the purpose of flaming, just curious
        Depends upon what you mean, but the answer is probably no. I was actually approached by the STL Dems to run for the MO house seat for my district this election, but I opted against it. Who knows, maybe at some point that sort of thing will seem more attractive, but for right now, the life of a politician doesn't really appeal to me.

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        • shosh
          Banned
          • Jun 2004
          • 4668

          #34
          Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

          Originally posted by toasty
          Depends upon what you mean, but the answer is probably no. I was actually approached by the STL Dems to run for the MO house seat for my district this election, but I opted against it. Who knows, maybe at some point that sort of thing will seem more attractive, but for right now, the life of a politician doesn't really appeal to me.
          thats pretty much it, just wondering if you were thinking about taking any positions within the party or running for an office.

          if you do run for anything, make sure you get your [ms] account deleted

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          • thesightless
            Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
            • Jun 2004
            • 13567

            #35
            Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

            you're all dumb. how any of you actually back either of these people, i still cannot fathom, even after months of readin diatribes for and against both of em. and lesser of two evils isnt an excuse, there are a few other pppl who you can vote for. obama is as shady as they come, its just that HE SPEAKS LOUDLY AND FIRMLY. we know nothing about him, at least we know sumin about mccain, i dont like it, but at least i know about it.
            your life is an occasion, rise to it.

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            • k3n3
              Getting Somewhere
              • Dec 2007
              • 189

              #36
              Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

              Originally posted by thesightless
              you're all dumb. how any of you actually back either of these people, i still cannot fathom, even after months of readin diatribes for and against both of em. and lesser of two evils isnt an excuse, there are a few other pppl who you can vote for. obama is as shady as they come, its just that HE SPEAKS LOUDLY AND FIRMLY. we know nothing about him, at least we know sumin about mccain, i dont like it, but at least i know about it.
              I'm starting to agree... listening to both of the clowns during this debate, is making me mental... we're screwed...
              Q: What do Osama and Obama have in common???
              A: They both have a friend that blew up the Pentagon!

              http://dontvoteobama.net

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              • res0nat0r
                Someone MARRY ME!! LOL
                • May 2006
                • 14475

                #37
                Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

                these threads are getting old

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                • BabyMatty4Block
                  Getting Somewhere
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 186

                  #38
                  Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

                  when ayers bombed the pentagon, didn't he detonate the bomb when nobody was around, and as a result of the bombing, didn't bombing raids in north vietnam have to be ceased for a few days? as far as i'm concerned, that makes him a hero. much more so than mccain will ever be...

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                  • shosh
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 4668

                    #39
                    Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

                    Originally posted by BabyMatty4Block
                    when ayers bombed the pentagon, didn't he detonate the bomb when nobody was around, and as a result of the bombing, didn't bombing raids in north vietnam have to be ceased for a few days? as far as i'm concerned, that makes him a hero. much more so than mccain will ever be...
                    seriously dude. that wasnt the only bombing he participated in. still, for you to claim that was a good thing and hes a hero is seriously fucked up.

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                    • BabyMatty4Block
                      Getting Somewhere
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 186

                      #40
                      Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

                      but nobody got hurt, and he saved the lives of possibly thousands of vietnamese. even if he did hurt others in bombings (did he even?) he's a net saver of lives...

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                      • k3n3
                        Getting Somewhere
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 189

                        #41
                        Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

                        Originally posted by BabyMatty4Block
                        but nobody got hurt, and he saved the lives of possibly thousands of vietnamese. even if he did hurt others in bombings (did he even?) he's a net saver of lives...

                        Yeah ok...Him, his wife and his merry little band of bomb-makers were real fuckin' heroes...





                        Here's an extensive list of actions they admitted to, or were found to be responsible for...



                        And yes, innocent people did die at the hands of the Weathermen...
                        Q: What do Osama and Obama have in common???
                        A: They both have a friend that blew up the Pentagon!

                        http://dontvoteobama.net

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                        • BabyMatty4Block
                          Getting Somewhere
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 186

                          #42
                          Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

                          looks to me like only one person (a cop) was killed in all of those incedents, aside from the Brinks truck robbery. i'd say the group's overall good outweighed it's bad.

                          it's not really something i've looked into thoroughly, but i'd say if a few people can set off a bomb in the pentagon, and it affects the bombing schedules of a war, well that is really some impressive david v. goliath shit.

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                          • shosh
                            Banned
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 4668

                            #43
                            Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

                            Originally posted by BabyMatty4Block
                            looks to me like only one person (a cop) was killed in all of those incedents, aside from the Brinks truck robbery. i'd say the group's overall good outweighed it's bad.

                            it's not really something i've looked into thoroughly, but i'd say if a few people can set off a bomb in the pentagon, and it affects the bombing schedules of a war, well that is really some impressive david v. goliath shit.
                            you should be ktfo

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                            • k3n3
                              Getting Somewhere
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 189

                              #44
                              Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

                              Originally posted by BabyMatty4Block
                              but i'd say if a few people can set off a bomb in the pentagon, and it affects the bombing schedules of a war, well that is really some impressive david v. goliath shit.

                              So, isn't this kinda what osama did as well ???

                              BTW, I know a few NYC fire-fighters that wouldn't mind having a little face-to-face chat with someone like you...

                              your mother must be very proud...
                              Q: What do Osama and Obama have in common???
                              A: They both have a friend that blew up the Pentagon!

                              http://dontvoteobama.net

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                              • Miroslav
                                WHOA I can change this!1!
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 4122

                                #45
                                Re: this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

                                Originally posted by BabyMatty4Block
                                looks to me like only one person (a cop) was killed in all of those incedents, aside from the Brinks truck robbery. i'd say the group's overall good outweighed it's bad.

                                it's not really something i've looked into thoroughly, but i'd say if a few people can set off a bomb in the pentagon, and it affects the bombing schedules of a war, well that is really some impressive david v. goliath shit.
                                Wow. Now I guess I know who was cheering on 9-11.

                                What the government is doing in Iraq is horrible, but what you're advocating in response is even worse.

                                We'll see how you feel if some day that "one person" killed in the name of the "overall good" is your mother, your wife, your daughter.
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