THE OFFICIAL 'STOLEN HONOR' VIDEO ONLY HERE ON [MS] MUST SEE

[LobsterClan]

Then all of a sudden you have a 'viet nam vet' named John Kerry, going on television calling America the monster, and the troops criminals and barbarians.

While I realize it's pointless to respond to you, because you have no grasp of facts, reason or logic- I still find it important to point out just how wrong you are.

Just because someone tells you what Kerry said about Vietnam, does not make it so. Have you ever actually read any of the testimony from Kerry regarding the Winter soldier Investigation? I highly doubt it. http://www.c-span.org/2004vote/jkerrytestimony.asp

"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth grossly distorted Kerry's actual testimony, which recounted the stories of other Vietnam veterans who came home and related their personal experiences in what was known as the Winter Soldier Investigation. As Annenberg Political Fact Check has noted, "The ad does indeed fail to mention that Kerry was quoting stories he had heard from others at an anti-war event in Detroit, and not claiming first-hand knowledge." And Kerry did not blame these soldiers for the acts they claimed to have committed. Rather, the focus of Kerry's remarks was an indictment of the leaders at the time.

[LobsterClan]

Re: THE OFFICIAL 'STOLEN HONOR' VIDEO ONLY HERE ON [MS] MUST

lol Menace, are you kidding me?
that "documentary" is the biggest pile of garbage. Unless it's telling you what you want to hear. In that case I'm sure it's pure genius.

As anyone who has read Thomas Kuhn can tell you-- preconceived notions are everything.

It is unfortunate that people can view dreck like this and actually believe it, but it happens. This "documentary" is basically just a long Swift boat Veterans ad, and the Swift boaters have been numerously discredited for their lying.

[Civic_Zen]

The man is such a coward.

[dalex]

Re: THE OFFICIAL 'STOLEN HONOR' VIDEO ONLY HERE ON [MS] MUST

lol Menace, are you kidding me?
that "documentary" is the biggest pile of garbage. Unless it's telling you what you want to hear. In that case I'm sure it's pure genius.

[DJ Adrian Ravelo]

What in the holy fuck are you yapping about?

:ROFLMAO: worth a quote

[LobsterClan]

Its funny you say that because he inherited the largest deficit in American history. And then shit happens. Guess you forgot.

What in the holy fuck are you yapping about? George Dubya Bush inherited a surplus of over 200 billion dollars. Now I guess you're trying to completely rewrite history, instead of just completely ignoring everything that happened over the past 4 years.

[PhAntoM MeNaCe]

Hey Krelm, let me enlighten you for a sec, and possibly tie up a few ends. First Kerry DID meet secretly in Paris. Was John Kerry part of a US sponsored diplomacy effort or a foreign affairs committee?? NO. Was he expecting to get the Nobel Peace Prize by denigrating the US troops serving their country and POWs barely surviving in torcherous prison camps. I dont know what self serving intentions he had by doing this, but he LIED about acts of atrocities that he may have done himself, but never saw with his own eyes. Krelm, the real issue here, is that for the POW's, the North Vietnamese wanted them to 'admit' that they're wrong for being there, that they were invading the north, not liberating the south. Then when they refused to be coerced, they would be beaten, and beaten, and beaten. Then all of a sudden you have a 'viet nam vet' named John Kerry, going on television calling America the monster, and the troops criminals and barbarians. He had fluid dialogue with the N. Vietnamese, and his groups spokesperson, Jane Fonda, actually visited one of the POW camps, without making ANY contact with the prisoners, touring with the N. Vietnamese. So because now there is an outspoken american vet, who calls the US troops barbarians, it gives the N. Vietnamese torturing the POW's some credence, and when the POW's continue to vow their patriotic efforts, they were beaten even more severly, and sometimes killed. Fact is we were in the middle of a grusome war, and the last thing we need is some traitor denigrating our troops directly to our enemy, and throwing his medals away, and engaging in fluid dialogue with the enemy while our boys are still fighting and dying. Do you not see how this constitutes treason????

[Balanc3]

Its funny you say that because he inherited the largest deficit in American history. And then shit happens. Guess you forgot.

And ps he cut the taxes before the war and sept. 11th.

Americans also forget that the Dems tried to propose a tax on IRA's during Clintons term, that would take 15% of what you had invested and put it back into social security. So if you had $100,000 invested in an IRA, you had to cut the govt. a $15,000 check. They call this redistributing the wealth...but I have money invested in an IRA and I'm not rich.. yet. Lucky, the Republicans had control of the House and Senate and were able to kill it before the bill had a chance. But do you think the Dems have forgotten? They been keepin this one on ice and I guaruntee we will see it again if Kerry is elected.

[HoneyBearKelly]

Always hate having to repeat myself. But again, I was laid off due to outsourcing in 1999... during the Clinton administration and .com era. Not much has changed since, except we are pulling out of recession.. how, who really knows. But I don't blame Clinton, just like I don't blame Bush. However, it is true that Clinton ran the country while Republicans ran the Senate and he took Republican policy and ran with it, thus why the economy appeared to be so stable while he was in office. Clinton was succesful as a President because he accepted the views of Republicans and Democrats and worked with both parties to make this nation strong.

The reason we have record deficits is because Bush decided to cut taxes at the same time he was conducting a war.

[Balanc3]

This group of crooks that's in charge of our economy has even started borrowing from the federal workers pension fund with the promise that they'll pay it back. What do you want to bet that if they get 4 more years they'll cut the pensions instead?

Always hate having to repeat myself. But again, I was laid off due to outsourcing in 1999... during the Clinton administration and .com era. Not much has changed since, except we are pulling out of recession.. how, who really knows. But I don't blame Clinton, just like I don't blame Bush. However, it is true that Clinton ran the country while Republicans ran the Senate and he took Republican policy and ran with it, thus why the economy appeared to be so stable while he was in office. Clinton was succesful as a President because he accepted the views of Republicans and Democrats and worked with both parties to make this nation strong.

[krelm]

Secret or no secret he was at the meeting and he's a fucking traitor - bottom line.

He didn't break any laws. He never made a secret about being at the meetings. He didn't participate in any negotiations or attend any formal sessions of the talks (either of which would have been illegal - had they happened). He didn't actually meet with anybody from North Vietnam - just with somebody representing a South Vietnamese group that had ties to the north.

How does that make him a traitor? Where is the legal basis? You can disagree with his actions & views concerning Vietnam, think he is a bad candidate, a bad person, a bad senator...whatever. But that is a far cry from calling him a traitor. That's about as pointless as the insinuations Michael Moore makes about the Bush family ties with the Saudi Royal family and the Bin Laden family. There are far better things to go after either guy for....

[HoneyBearKelly]

Democrats are indeed stupid.
They let themselves get drawn into arguments about things that didn't happen almost 40 years ago. Why can't they see that it's just misdirection. The wingnuts just want the Democrats to get caught up in this bullshit so that they won't concentrate on the truth of what's happening today.
Bushito and his posse had no real plan in Iraq past getting rid of Saddam. Did they really think the Iraqis were going to welcome us with flowers and chocolates? We have the highest deficit ever. This group of crooks that's in charge of our economy has even started borrowing from the federal workers pension fund with the promise that they'll pay it back. What do you want to bet that if they get 4 more years they'll cut the pensions instead?
I could go on but instead I'll direct you here http://www.pipa.org/.
Like the man said "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth".

[Balanc3]

Secret or no secret he was at the meeting and he's a fucking traitor - bottom line.

[LobsterClan]

He secretly met with North Vietnamese in Paris

Actually, this is not a fact at all. In fact, there was nothing secret about Kerry's meeting in Paris, and he mentioned it in his testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

"I have been to Paris," he testified. "I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and Provisional Revolutionary Government," the latter a South Vietnamese communist group with ties to the Viet Cong.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39744-2004Sep21.html

"Historian Douglas Brinkley said Kerry's trip to Paris, after his honeymoon with his first wife, Julia Thorne, was part of Kerry's extensive fact-finding efforts on the war. "He was on the fringes," said Brinkley, the author of "Tour of Duty," a book about Kerry's military service. "But he was proud of it. . . . He wanted to make his own evaluation of the situation.""

[HoneyBearKelly]

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