would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[k3n3]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

You people (heh) need to realize that pointing out flaws with Obama at this point means so little to us. Our concerns aren't with Obama

you talkin' to me ??? My concerns ARE with Obama, and yet no one here is forcing you to listen, respond, take offense, etc...

i was at a rally with Chuck Baldwin & Ron Paul last week... And they opened my eyes to alot of things... I will likely vote for a third-party candidate this year, for the first time in my life... However, I see Obama as the larger threat at this point in time, so I reserve the right to bash Obama whenever I see fit... Freedom of speech and all...

[k3n3]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

What you say may be true. Obama and Biden aren't all that great. But can you seriously say with a straight face that the other side is much better? For God's sake, look at what the last eight years have been like! And then tell me about IQ...

Yeah, I'm not saying the republican ticket is much better... If I was at one point, I'm certainly not now... With the financial crisis & all... i attended a rally with Chuck Baldwin & Ron Paul last week... And they opened my eyes to alot of things, and I now see how similar both of the political parties really are... I will likely vote for a third-party candidate this year, for the first time in my life...

However, I reserve the right to remain, firmly "anti-Obama"...

[Jenks]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

did you attend a rally with chuck paul and ron paul last week? i missed it if you said so.

[Miroslav]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

However, I reserve the right to remain, firmly "anti-Obama"...

By all means, you have that right. But I think it's safe to say that your only real choice is one of the two... Unless there is greater reform at the Constitutional level, you'll always only have two real options for office.

Heck, that's what that "Socialist" party that Obama was tied to was trying to do, but it failed.

[k3n3]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

This sounds strikingly like the rumblings about the Michelle Obama tape ranting about "whitey" at Rev. Wright's church that also turned out to be bullshit. Was always supposed "to be released in a few days," but never was.

Time will tell, this was just wishful thinking on my part, after hearing some delicious rumors from a semi-reliable source... And from what I've heard it will be released "a few days" after the next debate... Seems kinda strange though, how the Ayers stuff has ramped up drastically over the last few days... Kinda feels like we're waiting for some sort or Rove-ian climax... I can't wait...

How funny is it that those on the right wing are now latching onto the words of PUMA ringleader Larry Johnson like they are gold, because the guy was a massive thorn in the collective side of the GOP up until Hillary began losing the Dem. nomination. I'd bet that you and shosh discounted wholesale everything he said when he was vehemently supporting Valerie Plame's claim that she was covert, but now he's the fucking oracle. Riiiiiiight...

Who's Larry Johnson? Some big bigshot Dem? I've never heard of him before reading what he posted on the Huffington Post... Word around the blogosphere (long ago) was that Hillary had some dirt on Obama, but wasn't willing to dish it to win the nomination (damaging the DEM party and all...). It kinda makes sense that she's now backed off with regard to supporting him, and chose not to accept an offer for VP... Maybe she's just smart enough to keep him at arm's length... hmmmm....

I'm not claiming any conspiracy theory, and who knows if it's true or not... I just think it would be f-in awesome, and the stuff of political legend if it were true... I'm keeping my fingers crossed...

[Shpira]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

So what if he was/is socialist democrat. . .its not like the day he gets elected he's gonna say that all industry and all wealth is nationalized and that your gonna have a government controlled economy. Or that the election process will be destroyed that the US will no longer be a democracy.
IMO Democratic socialism is probably the only half decent thing that can save America from the all the shit thats made it into what it is today. . . no offense intended to anyone. It just seems to me that ppl are more focused on labels than on substance.
Its clear that there is note of socialism in him from all the policies he argues for. . . redistribution of wealth through taxes i.e. taxing the rich more so that some of the poorest have better living opportunities is essentially a socialist idea. If this really bothers you than don't vote for him. Countries all over the world are embracing democratic socialism as its the only political idea that makes ANY real sense in this fucked up world only the US seems a bit slow to catch on.


The thing is no matter who wins little will change.

[Jenks]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

It kinda makes sense that she's now backed off with regard to supporting him, and chose not to accept an offer for VP...

1. she wasn't offered the VP.

2. the Ayers stuff is getting ramped up again because the McCain camp is on it's last leg, and they're clutching at straws for anything that might get them a few points. the Ayers stuff didn't work for Clinton 6 months ago, and it's not going to work for McCain now. It's working on Shosh, but...yeah, that's no surprise.

[k3n3]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

did you attend a rally with chuck paul and ron paul last week? i missed it if you said so.

My parents are good friends with Dr. Paul, and have been for a good many years, helping to get him elected & re-elected to Congres for quite some time now... they invited me along, after hearing I might be considering a vote for McCain... It was an eye-opening experience to say the least...

Politics is a shady, shady business... Can't say that I'd ever have the stomach to get involved in it...

[k3n3]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

1. she wasn't offered the VP.

c'mon, you don't really know that for sure, do you? Bill said she didn't want it, whether she was/wasn't asked... Maybe she wasn't... Time will tell

2. the Ayers stuff is getting ramped up again because the McCain camp is on it's last leg, and they're clutching at straws for anything that might get them a few points. the Ayers stuff didn't work for Clinton 6 months ago, and it's not going to work for McCain now. It's working on Shosh, but...yeah, that's no surprise.

We'll see... You could be right... However, the Republicans have managed to outsmart the Dems (for better or worse), several times before... I'm not claiming any of this as fact (yet), just think it would be funny as shit, if it were true...

Just keep watching, this Ayers stuff might possibly blow up in a big way...

[Jenks]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

My parents are good friends with Dr. Paul, and have been for a good many years, helping to get him elected & re-elected to Congres for quite some time now... they invited me along, after hearing I might be considering a vote for McCain... It was an eye-opening experience to say the least...

Politics is a shady, shady business... Can't say that I'd ever have the stomach to get involved in it...

Guess my sarcasm didn't come through on the internet. I posted that because you said nearly the exact same thing twice in a row to Miroslav above. Department of redundancy department.

Very cool tho you got to get close to Paul. I dig that guy.

[thesightless]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

So what if he was/is socialist democrat. .

not calling out o[pinion, but the answer to that is, plain and simple, it goes against every idea this coutnry was founded on. for the people, by the people.

however, i truly beleive socializing a few major industries would work and have a monster trickle down effect in the positive.

socialise pharmaceudicals, not medicine and healthcare as a whole, but perscription making. but and a huge but, they better pay the doctors very very well.

socialise corporate and business liability insurance. that way, illigitamate business practices would be open for suit at a whole new level, criminalized, and eventually weeded out.

lastly, i am in agreement with paulsons idea of having a stake in banking, that will tie the overall economy to the industry and push the taxpayer into the "rah rah" aspect of industry.

[88Mariner]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

a person who supports paul AND mccain?


this is me, calling you on your shit.

[Jenks]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

So what if he was/is socialist democrat. . .its not like the day he gets elected he's gonna say that all industry and all wealth is nationalized and that your gonna have a government controlled economy. Or that the election process will be destroyed that the US will no longer be a democracy.
IMO Democratic socialism is probably the only half decent thing that can save America from the all the shit thats made it into what it is today. . . no offense intended to anyone. It just seems to me that ppl are more focused on labels than on substance.
Its clear that there is note of socialism in him from all the policies he argues for. . . redistribution of wealth through taxes i.e. taxing the rich more so that some of the poorest have better living opportunities is essentially a socialist idea. If this really bothers you than don't vote for him. Countries all over the world are embracing democratic socialism as its the only political idea that makes ANY real sense in this fucked up world only the US seems a bit slow to catch on.


The thing is no matter who wins little will change.

Where you been Shpira?

[k3n3]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

IMO Democratic socialism is probably the only half decent thing that can save America from the all the shit thats made it into what it is today. . .

Seriously? What was the last experience that you've had with any federal agency???

Other than sending you a tax rebate check, & delivering the mail, is there anything the federal government does that isn't seriously fucked up from the very start? I've got 2 close friends who work for Homeland Security, and the daily bullshit they have to deal with, would make your head spin... Try dealing with state / local goverment, and add a bullshit factor of +90, that's federal government for you...

Look at those rodeo clowns in Congress, with like a 9% approval rating... And you'd trust those idiots to make your healthcare decisions, determine what a "fair" tax rate is for you vs. your neighbor, or generally decide what's best for Americans? You're kidding right?

Honestly, government creates most of America's problems, and then conveniently offers a "fix" that pushes us one step closer to socialism anyway. And if government is so good as regulating business today, why are we in all this financial chaos today ???

Here's a hint... Largely because of government meddling...

[thesightless]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

a person who supports paul AND mccain?


this is me, calling you on your shit.

go ahead, tomorrow, when im sober and not on 2 perks, il deal with it, but in the morning, when im not drunk, be careful, there is a reason i am on the board of curriculem at two univeristies(Hoftrsa (host of next debate & ill be on TV & ST. Johns UNI)...

yes, a blend of ideas is best, perticularly considering american stupidity and basic macro economics. again, be careful what ya ask for, particularly in this topic. cuz i forgot more than you've been taught. there is a a reason my firms stock has risen 4% in the last two weeks.

now, whether i have the time.. is a different story, but i'll keep it 101.

(duck)wrong mother fucker to debate macro economics in case you havent been reading lately. opinions are opinions, and im a drunk, but you just tried to stop niagra.