my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

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  • toasty
    Sir Toastiness
    • Jun 2004
    • 6585

    #16
    Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

    I think we can all agree that a two party system is far from perfect, and there are very few people that line up exactly with either party from an ideological standpoint. Unfortunately, regardless of how much we would like to see multiple parties, it won't happen on a long-term basis, because for most politicians, the need to stay employed trumps all else.

    Put another way, when a third party starts to gain mainstream acceptance, the two parties either change their platform to encourage members of the third party to join them, or the third party supplants one of the two incumbent parties. In politics, numbers are all that matters, and there is an incentive to bend your ideology to vote for someone who can win or to be the party that garners the most votes. Depending upon which force is stronger, one of those two things will inevitably happen.

    For example, ideological libertarians have historically voted with the republican party. If the Libertarians were ever to start to really pull a lot of votes from the GOP, you can bet that either the GOP platform would change (back) to reflect a more libertarian point of view, or the Libertarian party would suck up the republicans and the Grand Ol' Party would fade away. Neither party would let them split their vote and get their asses handed to them over an extended period of time.

    The system is effectively rigged in favor of having two dominant parties. There's nothing to prevent other parties from forming in the technical sense, but there's not a lot of incentive to have more than two when it comes time to winning elections -- if your party is in the clear minority, you find a way to compete, and that usually means taking steps to attract the members of the other minority party that is also getting its ass kicked.

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    • bobjuice
      Banned
      • May 2008
      • 4894

      #17
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      • Miroslav
        WHOA I can change this!1!
        • Apr 2006
        • 4122

        #18
        Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

        Originally posted by thesightless
        im done. i cant deal with this. i will play moderator of facts from here on out. the intellegent opinion and intelligent candidate, and hell, the intelligent american are so far gone, hubble couldnt find them.

        for shame. on all of you.
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        • DIDI
          Aussie Pest
          • Nov 2004
          • 16845

          #19
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          • Localizer
            Platinum Poster
            • Jul 2004
            • 2021

            #20
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            Originally posted by shosh
            the 2-party system is what i do not understand. sure, there are many other parties but they dont get equal treatment. we're supposed to live in a democracy but when someone from another party comes along they are viewed as disruptive, nuts, or that they will just take votes away from one of the 2 parties. no wonder one is an elephant (takes huge shits) and the other one is an ass.
            We're supposed to live in a republic. Democracy is just the result of that. But this isn't about party, this is about power. This is a dog eat dog world. You wanna make a difference in the world? you obtain power. Bertrand Russell exposed this shit in his book 'Power'. It is exactly like energy, neither created or destroyed, only transferred. Frankly, I would one day like to achieve that power but not for my own self-gratification, but for the simple fact that I ate all the dogs and that I obtained an enormous amount of this 'monopoly' money. Then again, I think we should all be conspiracy theorists since it seems the most powerful people happen to come out of Wharton's school of business at UPenn.
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            • bobjuice
              Banned
              • May 2008
              • 4894

              #21
              Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

              After John McCain and Barack Obama made him into the most famous plumber in America, it turns out Joe Wurzelbacher isn't a licensed plumber after all. Oh, and his real name is Sam.


              joe the plumber - not all he seems perhaps

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              • shosh
                Banned
                • Jun 2004
                • 4668

                #22
                Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

                Originally posted by bobjuice
                http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...me-964542.html

                joe the plumber - not all he seems perhaps
                the guy is irrelevant. i could give a fuck about the guy. the question he asked and the answer obama gave are what is relevant. that doesnt change the fact that obama is a fuckin socialist! redistribution of wealth? ffs

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                • CactusBeats
                  Addiction started
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 490

                  #23
                  Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

                  Originally posted by shosh
                  the guy is irrelevant. i could give a fuck about the guy. the question he asked and the answer obama gave are what is relevant. that doesnt change the fact that obama is a fuckin socialist! redistribution of wealth? ffs
                  Yeah, I guess I prefer redistributing our wealth to Iraq. Screw our infrastructure. We should be in Iraq - building schools, sewage treatment facilities, electrical grid infrastructure, fixing dams on the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, and standing between three ethnic groups that don't want to work together, not to mention bribing Sunni tribal leaders so they refrain from killing Shiites. All the money invested there still probably gets a better return than it will invested in our markets or in US jobs on US soil improving American lives. Yeah, lets fight Obama and his socialist agenda. It's certainly worse than what we're doing now.
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                  • thesightless
                    Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 13567

                    #24
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                    to quote the great stan lee. nuff said,. you are all beyond repair. obama, a fucking moron(dont debate this).. mccain(hitler pt2)... ur all idiots. all of you. think about it. as if kerry VS bush wasnt enough
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                    • ddr
                      DUDERZ get a life!!!
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 7006

                      #25
                      Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

                      Originally posted by shosh
                      the guy is irrelevant. i could give a fuck about the guy. the question he asked and the answer obama gave are what is relevant. that doesnt change the fact that obama is a fuckin socialist! redistribution of wealth? ffs
                      the guy is relevant.

                      this is one of mccain/palin's last hail mary before election and they are treating it like a huge deal.. if "joe" really is not a plumber, is in no position to take over his bosses business, then mccain's constant support of this guy goes down the drain.

                      if mccain would get off this negativity kick and actually talk facts and his plans instead of hate mongering and negative campaigning, he would be in a much better position for the white house, i feel.
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                      • Miroslav
                        WHOA I can change this!1!
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 4122

                        #26
                        Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

                        Originally posted by CactusBeats
                        Yeah, I guess I prefer redistributing our wealth to Iraq. Screw our infrastructure. We should be in Iraq - building schools, sewage treatment facilities, electrical grid infrastructure, fixing dams on the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, and standing between three ethnic groups that don't want to work together, not to mention bribing Sunni tribal leaders so they refrain from killing Shiites. All the money invested there still probably gets a better return than it will invested in our markets or in US jobs on US soil improving American lives. Yeah, lets fight Obama and his socialist agenda. It's certainly worse than what we're doing now.
                        Thank you. Well said.

                        The fact is that there is always "redistribution of wealth" within society, even under Republicans. And I just haven't liked what I've seen these past eight years.
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                        • shosh
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 4668

                          #27
                          Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

                          Originally posted by ddr
                          the guy is relevant.

                          this is one of mccain/palin's last hail mary before election and they are treating it like a huge deal.. if "joe" really is not a plumber, is in no position to take over his bosses business, then mccain's constant support of this guy goes down the drain.

                          if mccain would get off this negativity kick and actually talk facts and his plans instead of hate mongering and negative campaigning, he would be in a much better position for the white house, i feel.
                          how is the guy relevant? just because he happened to be at the right place at the right time and asked the right question? just because all the other libefuckinrals who make over 250K want to drift towards socialism and wouldnt ask that kind of a question... gtfo and move to cuba/china/n.korea/etc

                          Originally posted by Miroslav
                          Thank you. Well said.

                          The fact is that there is always "redistribution of wealth" within society, even under Republicans. And I just haven't liked what I've seen these past eight years.
                          not like what obama wants to do it and he proclaims in shamelessly... fuckin fuck

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                          • 88Mariner
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                            • Nov 2006
                            • 7128

                            #28
                            Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

                            sosh, conservatives want socialism too. get it through your head. redistribution of wealth is exactly what these 'conservatives' want. its where they send it to that's the difference. which means, absolutely no different, in principle.
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                            • palmer
                              Retired or Simply Important
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 5383

                              #29
                              Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

                              Originally posted by thesightless

                              i pray we get invaded. war. mass killing of american citizens.


                              That's like suicide as a solution for depression. Weak.
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                              • thesightless
                                Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 13567

                                #30
                                Re: my last opinionated message after witnessing that debate first hand

                                Originally posted by palmer


                                That's like suicide as a solution for depression. Weak.
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