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  • toasty
    Sir Toastiness
    • Jun 2004
    • 6585

    Post Election Thoughts

    Having had a bit of an opportunity to process this a bit more, I’d like to throw this out there. I can’t begin to explain how excited I am about this election, on so many different levels. This is a big day for America, and the moment it was called was one of those moments that I will literally remember where I was, what I was doing, who I was with, etc. I had actually planned on going to the big party for all of the people that have been working on the campaign, but my wife is pregnant and we had our first childbirth class last night, so as soon as I was done with election-related stuff, I had to run and catch what I could of that class with her. Afterwards, she really wasn’t in a position to go over to the party, and as much as there is part of me that would have loved to have been in a room full of Obama supporters partying like a rock star, I’m actually more happy that I got to spend it with her, sitting on our couch, eating pizza and sipping on some kick ass wine (me, not her ). Also, I would have hated for her to look back on that historic moment and remember that she was sitting at home by herself while her husband was out partying.

    I love the message this sends to the rest of the world. We in America are ready to turn the page on the horrors of the last 8 years. We are ready to be back in your good graces. We are ready to take a broader world view.

    It is also incredibly heartening to know that we as a country can elect a guy named Barack Hussein Obama in light of all that has happened over the last 8 years of Karl Rove-fueled politics. People always complain about negative campaigning, but the reality is that it tends to work. Finally, in the face of race-baiting, unsubstantiated smears and whisper campaigns, the voting public has said, “enough.” Finally, people have rejected the politics of fear and divisiveness. Finally, it didn’t work. Negative campaigns aren’t going anywhere, but we do know that we are not so bloodthirsty as a culture that we reject common sense and accept appeals to our most base, primal instincts, that people are not rewarded for increasingly nasty tactics.

    One more thing: this election unfortunately reminded us that racism and general small-mindedness is alive and well in this country. Obama’s election, however, underscores that we as a nation are bigger than that. Things are not going to change overnight just because he’s elected, but those that thought that open or semi-open displays of racism and intolerance are OK “because most people think that way deep down,” got a wake-up call last night. Guess what folks, the world has evolved around you, and you’re the one that’s being left behind, you’re the ones that are outside of the mainstream. My mom reminded me this morning that when my daughter is born in a few months, she’ll be born into a world where having an African American president is just the way the world is, and as she grows up, the idea that the president could be someone other than an older white guy will be par for the course. That’s really exciting to me. It’s an enormous step in the right direction.

    For purely selfish reasons, it is a little bittersweet, because I really would have liked to have seen him win Missouri, not just because that’s where I live, but because I’ve personally devoted a ton of time and effort here. I was working in what is referred to as the boiler room yesterday, taking calls from and advising attorneys in the field about voting complications, voter suppression techniques, and related issues. You might have seen the story on CNN’s ticker yesterday about 4-5 hour lines in North St. Louis County, and I was actually on the phone with our guy on the scene at that particular polling location off and on over the course of the day. Once things had calmed down later in the day, he told me that at one point when the lines were at their apex, a guy had gotten frustrated and tried to leave the line. The other people in line began chanting for him to get back in line – which he ultimately did – and he cast his vote. Great story, IMO. For the people that endured lines like that, primarily on principle (because a single vote is a drop in the bucket), a win in MO would have been particularly nice. It would be really nice to have the satisfaction of saying that your vote contributed to the final tally in Obama’s column. Ultimately, though, Obama won nationally, and that’s what’s important.

    I could go on and on, but I’ll stop here. Thanks to all that have endured my drivel-spreading over the past 20 months or so.

    And with that, I'm going to try my hardest to avoid any serious thought about anything of a political nature for a few days. Gotta give the brain a break and think about some meaningless bullshit for a change...
  • 88Mariner
    My dick is smaller
    • Nov 2006
    • 7128

    #2
    Re: Post Election Thoughts

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    • Miroslav
      WHOA I can change this!1!
      • Apr 2006
      • 4122

      #3
      Re: Post Election Thoughts

      Look, I agree with you that this should be a good change after 8 years of the Bush administration. And sure, we can celebrate a bit. But I'm not ready to get swept up in all the warm fuzzy feelings just yet. People are getting carried away with emotion. All the man has done so far is run a good campaign, present a few good (if not vague) ideas, and charismatically delivered some speeches. Talk is cheap. Fact is that regardless of the president, we're in a hell of a pickle as a nation and it's going to be ugly for years. I'll reserve my real praise until I (hopefully) see some tangible results.
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      • BSully828
        Platinum Poster
        • Jun 2004
        • 1221

        #4
        Re: Post Election Thoughts

        This article from the WSJ sums up my thoughts pretty nicely:

        The American electorate has handed [Barack Obama] and his fellow Democrats the kind of sweeping victory they haven't had since at least 1976 and in certain respects since 1964. We'll now find out if the Democratic Party has learned anything since the last two times it held all the levers of power in Washington. ... The economy was by far the dominant issue, and voters held GOP Members who belonged to the party in the White House responsible. There's some injustice in this, because if anything Democratic policies have prevailed the past two years in Washington. But neither Mr. Bush nor John McCain made that case clearly to voters. The Democratic temptation will be to interpret this victory as a mandate for renewed liberal government. Republicans hope they do. The last three times the Democrats won this kind of victory -- in 1964, 1976 and 1992 -- they overreached and suffered big losses two years later. ... Republicans can console themselves that soon Democrats won't have George W. Bush to kick around anymore. They'll now have to take responsibility if the economy stays in recession, or if Iraq turns chaotic again after an abrupt U.S. withdrawal. Americans have entrusted Democrats with what will essentially be unrestrained power, and we'll soon see if liberals have learned to govern.
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        • 88Mariner
          My dick is smaller
          • Nov 2006
          • 7128

          #5
          Re: Post Election Thoughts

          Originally posted by Miroslav
          Look, I agree with you that this should be a good change after 8 years of the Bush administration. And sure, we can celebrate a bit. But I'm not ready to get swept up in all the warm fuzzy feelings just yet. People are getting carried away with emotion. All the man has done so far is run a good campaign, present a few good (if not vague) ideas, and charismatically delivered some speeches. Talk is cheap. Fact is that regardless of the president, we're in a hell of a pickle as a nation and it's going to be ugly for years. I'll reserve my real praise until I (hopefully) see some tangible results.
          you could say he practically won on the circumstances.
          you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky

          it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles

          Am I somewhere....in the corners of your mind....

          ----PEACE-----

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          • superdave
            Platinum Poster
            • Jun 2004
            • 1366

            #6
            Re: Post Election Thoughts

            A really good post by Toasty and I agree that simply electing Obama is a step forward for the country. I agree that there is much work to be done, however you can't discount the progress we made simply having a black president.

            There are other good things to mention like the youth vote and record turn outs. For years, the public has been apathetic to the election process. People didn't vote because they weren't inspired by the candidate. Obama inspired not only black Americans, but all Americans.

            Also, the role model that Obama is to black Americans is great. They can now look to someone of their race and be inspired to do well in school, get a law degree and maybe even become President.

            Hopefully the Rove politics era of insinuations, fear and destruction are over. McCain and Palin fell into this trap of going negative and in the end it hurt them.

            Bush simply wrecked the Republican party. He was such a bad President that any association with him or Cheney was negative. If he had been a good President then McCain could have been a better opponent. McCain had a strike against him already being associated with Bush. Add to that a bad VP pick in Palin and Obama just being that good of a candidate. The Republicans need to re-think their strategies and get some new leaders. And they shouldn't go to the far right and let those lunatics run the asylum. The country is definitely in the center not to the far right or left.
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            • thesightless
              Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
              • Jun 2004
              • 13567

              #7
              Re: Post Election Thoughts

              Originally posted by Miroslav
              Look, I agree with you that this should be a good change after 8 years of the Bush administration. And sure, we can celebrate a bit. But I'm not ready to get swept up in all the warm fuzzy feelings just yet. People are getting carried away with emotion. All the man has done so far is run a good campaign, present a few good (if not vague) ideas, and charismatically delivered some speeches. Talk is cheap. Fact is that regardless of the president, we're in a hell of a pickle as a nation and it's going to be ugly for years. I'll reserve my real praise until I (hopefully) see some tangible results.

              fucking a right. best post.

              guy didnt win becuase he is a leader or a good choice. he won on circumstance. its a damn shame too. this election was american idol with a lot more on the line and yet again a hack won. eh, i guess im happy we dont have to listen to toastys bullshit anymore. he follows obama like taliban follow the koran.
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              • chloe harris
                Platinum Poster
                • Jun 2004
                • 1021

                #8
                Re: Post Election Thoughts

                no im pretty sure a lot of us think he is a leader and someone who brings new hope and new ideas and to say that is wrong for people to think that way because your big boy didn't win, is absolutely foolish.
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                • chloe harris
                  Platinum Poster
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 1021

                  #9
                  Re: Post Election Thoughts

                  some of you people sound like old ladies going thru menopause btw.
                  pillow humping rules.

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                  • thesightless
                    Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 13567

                    #10
                    Re: Post Election Thoughts

                    Originally posted by chloe harris
                    no im pretty sure a lot of us think he is a leader and someone who brings new hope and new ideas and to say that is wrong for people to think that way because your big boy didn't win, is absolutely foolish.

                    how? define how. he had no platform other than speaking loudly and offering vague ideas that cannot be done for a multitude of reasons. you seem to lack any cohesive ideas on how obama is good. your only ideas are how that cunt was bad, but that doesnt make this asshole the right choice either. you havent said a thing pro obama, niether has anyone outside of miro. so go on. inform.
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                    • 88Mariner
                      My dick is smaller
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 7128

                      #11
                      Re: Post Election Thoughts

                      his ideas are actually age-old. tried. tested. and failed.


                      however, I think his BEST quality is by and far how he will handle foreign policy. This will be his legacy, make no mistake about it.

                      domestic policy? yeah right...
                      you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky

                      it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles

                      Am I somewhere....in the corners of your mind....

                      ----PEACE-----

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                      • chloe harris
                        Platinum Poster
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 1021

                        #12
                        Re: Post Election Thoughts

                        i have. you've read my other threads.

                        i like obama. sue me. i like him because he is similar in my ideals. i don't want another republican who uses fear, intolerance, and greed as their way of controlling the public. i don't want god and christian shit pushed down my throat. these are two main reasons i believe in obama. he doesn't come off as overly religious, into war, or into intolerance. i like that he wants to help people like me. i like his approach to changing our gov. i am excited by the idea of having national heathcare in that i'll be able to go the docs and right now i can't because i don't have and cannot afford heathcare. lets see what else... i like that he wants to focus on education. that is important and as i've stated before, i'd be very willing to give up some of my money if i made over 250 thousand a year to help my country. that is the type of person i am. i am happy obama is more liberal than anyone we've had for a while.

                        is that acceptable for the 8th time?
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                        • thesightless
                          Someone will marry me. Hell Yeah!
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 13567

                          #13
                          Re: Post Election Thoughts

                          its a start. but the religion thing is old already. more than half the country embraces it, ya gotta deal. and ask your freinds in socailized nations about the doctors that come with national healthcare. the dum,best fucks ont eh plaent with the worst service. no competition leads to failure.
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                          • WaveSculptor
                            Getting warmed up
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 84

                            #14
                            Re: Post Election Thoughts

                            The majority agree that this was a huge victory for the nation, but there is a long hard road ahead. A couple things stood out to me from the candidates' speeches last night that are worth mentioning. First of all McCain was gracious in defeat, acknowledging the will of the people was of greater significance than his personal and political agendas. If only his supporters could follow his example. He had to suppress 'Boos' from his voters even as he tried to congratulate Obama and Biden on their masterful campaign and their victory for the hearts and minds of the American people, and by contrast the Obama/Biden supporters applauded the efforts, sacrifices and valor of John McCain over the course of the election and the rest of his life.

                            Do you all think this is just the result of one camp basking in their glorious victory and the other tasting a bitter defeat? Or, does it highlight a fundamental difference in the way these campaigns were run, and furthermore in the minds of the voters they appealed to?

                            I had mixed feelings about Barack's victory speech. First, I was glad that he reaffirmed his commitment to the nation and its people, and shared his victory with them. I hope this commitment holds true over the course of his term(s) in office. However, I also got the impression that he has no intention of stopping the war, merely pulling troops out of Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan. I guess I suspected this would be the case when he stopped making it a selling point of his campaign to end the war, but it was all the more distressing to hear him start using some of the 'enemies of freedom' rhetoric that has so nauseated me over the past 7 years.

                            Glad I voted, and thrilled that he won, but still a bit anxious about the task at hand and the means by which it will be accomplished. At the very least it's a new chapter in American history, one I am actually interested to participate in writing for a change.
                            The Cosmos works by harmony of tensions...

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                            • Steve Graham
                              DJ Jelly
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 12887

                              #15
                              Re: Post Election Thoughts

                              well said toasty.. this is the first election I have voted in and the first i really paid attention to


                              toasty your efforts and unwavering support have really been an eye opener.. and even though my "home" is over seas, this is my home now and if this country can at least some what get to the way it was when I moved here, that would be great.. I remember leaving the UK and my mates back home all being jealous that I was moving to America!!! now a days for the most part it would be a completely different reaction.

                              You know, not everyone has the time or want to know the complete ins and outs of what each candidate is about, I certainly dont know as much as alot of you on here and around me that I have listened to political discussions.. but you know what, all of our votes count the same, and ffs if someone is excited about the thought of a new direction for this country, why do you feel the need to piss all over it with your negativity just because YOU think you everything, or YOU dont like the way it turned out..

                              as many have said, it sure as hell cant get any worse than whats happened over the past 8 years

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