Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop 8)

[toasty]

Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop

well, which 'god' are you using to define marriage? because like i said, several jewish and christian sects do marry gay couples.

also, people have been getting married since well before Christianity even came into being. Ancient Romans and Greeks got married, so I guess we need to consult Zeus and/or Jupiter on this as well? Matter of fact, I reject this whole idea that marriage is fundamentally a religious sacrament, because IIRC, marriage started out as being as much about property rights as anything, and then the various religions took the concept and ran with it. FFS, when you get married by a judge, you're just as "married" as if a priest did the ceremony.

[88Mariner]

Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop

^ just got off a tele-conference with Zeus, Mithras, Wotan, and Thor. They said it's cool.

[thesightless]

Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop

i couldnt agree with keith olberman more. well said all aorund. there could not be a better expression of the right to marry for gays than what he said and how he said it.

i want to go around to churches aorund the US and lock the doors and force thier churchgoers to listen to this on repeat.

[CactusBeats]

Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop

Prop 8 - brought to you by the Republican Party, the party of "smaller government."
What a crock.


You go Keith!!

[88Mariner]

Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop

^ nah, not just republicans. tons of people who voted for Obama didn't vote no on the proposition. you'd be effing spurised m8. sick.

[thesightless]

Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop

1. obama supporters voted against marriage 2 to 1.
2. its was a public vote for a highly contested idea. we sadly have to accept it. they gave everyone the right to vote on it, and it was vetoed down
3. whilst i am pro gay rights here, they cannot demand the legal right while screaming that their opposition demand against it. it is the same thing, just polar views. it had to go to public vote at this point.
4. STFU melissa ethridge plz, you arent helping. does your POV mean i should not pay taxes because abortion is legal in NY while i hold a personal view against it.
5. it was the democrats that put this bill to vote boss, not the republicans (jerry brown cali AG)
6. san frans mayor was the only person in cali who seems to have a fucking clue about this lately.

[CactusBeats]

Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop

^^
All of Mariner's & Sightless' posts - I understand all of that. I was referring to some of the folks who introduced & wrote the legislation and did most of the campaigning for it. FWIW, whites as a group rejected Prop 8.

This amendment will be a black eye on CA's constitution ad infinitum. Somewhere down the line will be another amendment recinding (sp) this institutionalized homophobia/bigotry. It will be just like the way prohibition was appealed - with another constitutional amendment. In every state where one of these has passed, there is now also a group working for it to be repealed.

5. it was the democrats that put this bill to vote boss, not the republicans (jerry brown cali AG)

I find this somewhat surprising since 3 years ago, the CA assembly and senate (on their third try) passed a bill legalizing gay marriage, which Arnold originally said he would sign, only to change his mind and veto it. Yes, it passed both houses of CA's legislature. But of course the members of the legislature do change. Perhaps this was the so-called "referendum" that Arnold called for since he claimed that if he signed gay-marriage into law, "it might not represent a majority of Californians."

[thesightless]

Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Califor...sition_8_(2008)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brown

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-me-protest10-2008nov10,0,4429002.story

whats really gonna set this off is when obama denies marriage but gives unions. everyone is gonna get what they want, but hate getting it and how they get it.

this even above pro choice, is a no win situation.

my opinion is that of olbermans. what he said couldnt have been said better. why are we denying thier right to love. especially considering that 50% of male/female marriages fail anyway.

this one is for toasty

is there a country, that is an ally of the US ,where marriage status is conferred upon citizenship into the US and where gay marriage is legal?

i.e. if gays can marry in france, and move here, is their right as a couple conferred to the US?