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Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop 8)
Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop 8)
speechless. even though I kinda hang my hat on the opposite ideological aisle, I love him for stuff like this. Hate him if you want, but this is...for lack of better words....perfect.
Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop
Ya, I just don't understand the whole 'sanctity' of marriage. Ridiculous if you ask me. Then you have the retards who compare this to allowing people to bang animals, yet those people have not looked at the genetic components into why people become gay. Such dichotomies in our society.
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"Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."
Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop
Originally posted by Localizer
Ya, I just don't understand the whole 'sanctity' of marriage. Ridiculous if you ask me. Then you have the retards who compare this to allowing people to bang animals, yet those people have not looked at the genetic components into why people become gay. Such dichotomies in our society.
marriage is a religious ordinance. it was first and foremost religious, then the state got involved.
so while i am all for the gays and lesbians getting the same rights, i am very opposed to them calling that a marriage. it's not a marriage, a marriage is between a man and a woman. call it a union, get the same rights, you are good
that is why it failed.
Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop
Originally posted by shosh
marriage is a religious ordinance. it was first and foremost religious, then the state got involved.
so while i am all for the gays and lesbians getting the same rights, i am very opposed to them calling that a marriage. it's not a marriage, a marriage is between a man and a woman. call it a union, get the same rights, you are good
that is why it failed.
I agree with that. Government should separate itself from religion. I don't think it's so much about the word "marriage" itself for those who oppose prop 8 as it's about the rights. And rights like these (that previously existed in CA) should not be taken away.
"Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."
Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop
nah brah. you got it backwards in context: the government is not forcing churches to marry gays, just the same rights as married people. right now they have civil unions which, as far as I can tell, don't have the same protections as marriage does; and the difference between 'civil union' and 'marriage' is merely semantics, but the legal differences are still large and wide. the churches themselves decide whether they want to allow gays to marry within thier religious doctrines, but the government isn't forcing churches to marry.
The government should not be involved in the religious institution of marriage; civil unions should be allowed for everyone. However, since the government decided to poke thier nose in religion, they should afford the same rights to homosexuals as well.
How can you, as a conservative, tell me, that you aren't using the government to oppress others? How can you be anti-government and in the same breath, use government for personal means that really have no affect on you?
you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky
it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles
Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop
Originally posted by MJDub
I agree with that. Government should separate itself from religion. I don't think it's so much about the word "marriage" itself for those who oppose prop 8 as it's about the rights. And rights like these (that previously existed in CA) should not be taken away.
every person i have talked to, who supported prop 8, was against the fact that it was still being called a marriage. most had no issue with the gays having rights.
i think both sides need to give in a bit: the gays should accept their unions cant be called marriages, and the gay haters should take the word marriage and let them have their rights. but both sides are too stubborn
Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop
^ i'm with MJ, churches should not be tax exempt. our financial troubles would be over if we started doing it. I don't think churches should exist if they cannot be viable in the marketplace; just like businesses, the right to exist only maintains so long as they can attract parishoners willing to part with thier hard earned money.
you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky
it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles
Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop
Originally posted by 88Mariner
nah brah. you got it backwards in context: the government is not forcing churches to marry gays, just the same rights as married people. right now they have civil unions which, as far as I can tell, don't have the same protections as marriage does; and the difference between 'civil union' and 'marriage' is merely semantics, but the legal differences are still large and wide. the churches themselves decide whether they want to allow gays to marry within thier religious doctrines, but the government isn't forcing churches to marry.
The government should not be involved in the religious institution of marriage; civil unions should be allowed for everyone. However, since the government decided to poke thier nose in religion, they should afford the same rights to homosexuals as well.
How can you, as a conservative, tell me, that you aren't using the government to oppress others? How can you be anti-government and in the same breath, use government for personal means that really have no affect on you?
i dont know what you are accusing me of, but if you read my post i said i am 100% for them having the same rights without it being called a marriage. allow them their civil unions, and extend the same rights to the civil unions as to marriages.
Re: Keith Olbermann's best Special Comment ever (on Prop
Originally posted by 88Mariner
well, which 'god' are you using to define marriage? because like i said, several jewish and christian sects do marry gay couples.
edit: and how could you possibly now what god wants? it is self-serving circular nonsense.
these are my beliefs, if you want to get into a discussion about how i know what God wants or what God wants, we can do that. It starts with the Bible, but it goes deeper than that.
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