Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

[yesme]

Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

My point is just that you have no idea what that probability actually is. And probably neither does that guy.

so i guess that makes the probability zero then eh?

You're both just shooting from the hip. Just about nobody in the world, and certainly not either of you, has the depth of economic expertise to be able to make any sort of strong, reliable and detailed predictions on our fate.

i see you know this guy well eh?

The proof is in his past — Gerald Celente has earned is reputation as "The most trusted name in trends" by accurately forecasting hundreds of social, business, consumer, environmental, economic, political, entertainment, technology trends, etc. Among them:

• Celente coined the term "clean foods," in 1993 and predicted sustained growth in organic products in 1988.
  
• When gold was at $275 per ounce in 2002, Celente said the price had bottomed and in 2004 forecast the beginning of the "Gold Bull Run." Since that time, with pinpoint accuracy, he said when, why - and how high - gold would go.

Years before Starbucks was a household name, Celente forecast the popularity of gourmet coffee and decades before Pepsi and Coke got into the water business he predicted the "Big Boom in Bottled Water."

On the geopolitical and economic fronts, Celente and The Trends Research Institute are credited with forecasting many major trends, including the collapse of the Soviet Union, the last two recessions, the dot-com meltdown, the 1997 Asian currency crisis, the 1987 world stock market crash, increased terrorism against America, "Crusades 2000," and the quagmire in Iraq … before war began.

Gerald Celente has also accurately forecast many real estate trends, including the big move to vacation spots and small towns, the growth in the second home market, a real estate "fizz" in 2005 ... plus hundreds of other social, business, fashion, consumer and entertainment trends.

yeah, what could he understand about economics eh?

In some sense, I would suspect that it is to a large degree unwritten as to how things will end up for the world. We could take multiple paths into the future depending on the collective actions we decide to take today and tomorrow. The future will be what we make it.

ah, so in fact, there is no plan for america.

the people who really rule america are just happy to let nature take it's course, hey buddy, you were a billionaire, but after nature took it's course, your a homeless man.

it's funny that people think they still have a choice.

lmfao


dont stop by my house looking for food if you dont at least prepare for what MAY happen.

but who am i kidding, americans never prepare for what may happen, thats why 80% of americans have less then 1k in the bank, cause, hey, who gets hurt now a days eh?

[Miroslav]

Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

ok we can go for a few more rounds with this... here goes!

so i guess that makes the probability zero then eh?

I never said the probability was zero. If you had actually BOTHERED TO READ WHAT I WROTE, you would have seen that I said that I agree with you that the probability is elevated these days.

yeah, what could he understand about economics eh?

Sorry, I don't believe everything I read - whether it is necessarily convenient to the case I want to make or not. What they don't ever tell you on his website is anything he was ever wrong about. Don't tell me that he is some sort of a perfect Oracle of the Future. It's easy to manipulate any scenario in the past to say that you were "right" about some aspect of it and then market that for your own personal fortune. What he said in this case was still a wild shot, and I don't have to turn off my brain and just accept what he says because his website says that he's always right.

ah, so in fact, there is no plan for america.

Maybe not. But why don't you look at a history book. When was there ever really "a plan"? Things happen by circumstance.

dont stop by my house looking for food if you dont at least prepare for what MAY happen.

You can stock your house with food, but how long do you think your stack of canned tuna is going to last you through this kind of a crisis? You must be joking. If this actually happens, you'll be just as fucked as the next person. So should we just all shoot ourselves now?

[yesme]

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Sorry, I don't believe everything I read - whether it is necessarily convenient to the case I want to make or not. What they don't ever tell you on his website is anything he was ever wrong about. Don't tell me that he is some sort of a perfect Oracle of the Future. It's easy to manipulate any scenario in the past to say that you were "right" about some aspect of it and then market that for your own personal fortune. What he said in this case was still a wild shot, and I don't have to turn off my brain and just accept what he says because his website says that he's always right.

research dude, it pays off.

yes they list his mistakes as well as what he has been right about, for example, he said we would loose the first iraq war, and that kerry would beat bush in 2004.

so no, in fact his website does not make him out to be some kind of oracle of the future.

but simple 5 min research would of shown you that.

Maybe not. But why don't you look at a history book. When was there ever really "a plan"? Things happen by circumstance.

lol

history major here buddy.

btw, there has always been a plan to rule the world by one man/group of men/country.

need i list names of these people?it's been going on since the beginning of time.

things in world politics just dont happen, we did not just happen to get invovled in the world wars, we did not just happen to get invovled in vietnam,iraq,etc.

You can stock your house with food, but how long do you think your stack of canned tuna is going to last you through this kind of a crisis? You must be joking. If this actually happens, you'll be just as fucked as the next person. So should we just all shoot ourselves now?

you would be better of to store grains and such instead of canned tuna, but again simple research will tell you that.

and to being as fucked as the next person, not really, the next person meaning you, having a rosy outlook on life and not being at all prepared, will more then likely not have any weapons,ammo,gold/silver,food, seeds,land to hide on,etc.

i'm not saying to stop living life and doing what ur doing, but to prepare for what could happen is always a smart choice.

[KinKyJ]

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^^^ Right Quasimodo, you've been singing the prepare song since the beginning of this thread, but what do you mean with that? Buy a shotgun and a few crates o' ammo to keep poor people off my lawn?

welcome back kinky

Thanks bro

i wasnt trying to be a dick.

No, you are one, no need to try

[Miroslav]

Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

lol

history major here buddy.

btw, there has always been a plan to rule the world by one man/group of men/country.

read this book: Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jarrod Diamond. I'm sure you've heard of it. If you've read it, re-read it. It will put the whole "plan" thing into perspective.

you would be better of to store grains and such instead of canned tuna, but again simple research will tell you that.

and to being as fucked as the next person, not really, the next person meaning you, having a rosy outlook on life and not being at all prepared, will more then likely not have any weapons,ammo,gold/silver,food, seeds,land to hide on,etc.

Look, I'm glad that you've taken the time to look that tuna thing up on Yahoo Answers, but you can't just "prepare" with some internet research for the fall of civilization, unless you're a one-of-a-kind combo of Rambo, McGuyver, and Mad Max. Which I will go out on a limb right now and guess that you're not.

When civilization falls, how long do you think your pile of grains is going to take you? Maybe you'll gain a few weeks? Maybe you'll be able to take down the first few rounds of people who attack you...until your ammo and supplies run low...and then you'll probably wind up fucked like most of the rest of us. More than likely, there will be a bloody, large-scale war going on at the time, so you'll probably be doubly fucked twice as soon. Congrats.

So stop acting like you're a visionary who is two steps ahead of the rest of us. If the ship really goes down, it will be mass chaos and we will all basically be in the same boat. Your fate will be highly unpredictable and your gold and your gun will be a very uncertain, temporary insurance policy.

If you want to "live off the grid", sleep with a shotgun, think civilization is about to fall at any moment, etc., go for it and have fun. But you should probably not be posting on the internet because "The Man" can track you on here and come after you.

[yesme]

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Beware, therefore, of those who tell you that we have reached a bottom for risky financial assets. The same optimists told you that we reached a bottom and the worst was behind us after the rescue of the creditors of Bear Stearns in March; after the announcement of the possible bailout of Fannie and Freddie in July; after the actual bailout of Fannie and Freddie in September; after the bailout of AIG (nyse: AIG - news - people ) in mid-September; after the TARP legislation was presented; and after the latest G-7 and E.U. action.

In each case, the optimists argued that the latest crisis and rescue policy response was the cathartic event that signaled the bottom of the crisis and the recovery of markets. They were wrong literally at least six times in a row as the crisis--as I have consistently predicted over the last year--became worse and worse. So enough of the excessive optimism that has been proved wrong at least six times in the last eight months alone.

http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/...13roubini.html

[Miroslav]

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^^ Thank you for finally posting a serious predictive source. Roubini actually has been right on this mess more than others, and he has the real intellectual and professional credentials to back it up. I think he was also the most articulate and well-reasoned critic of the bailout, and if anyone's critical appraisal of it will turn up to be right, there is a good chance it will be his.

Of course this mess will get worse. You don't need to be Celente to predict that. Whenever there is a big disaster, there will always be that part of the spectrum that quickly proclaims the worst to be over, blah blah

btw, equities do hit bottom and move back upwards much sooner than the broader economic indicators - so whenever that rally comes in 2009 or 2010, it will happen sooner than the numbers you see coming at you in the news. If you have money to invest, beware waiting too long to get back in.

[Kiff]

Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

This "Chicken Little" mentality is rather amusing, but maybe I should invest in an umbrella in case the sky starts falling...

[pr0ficient]

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Celente says that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation

bullshit

[yesme]

Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

bullshit

awesome insight, thanks for your post

[toasty]

Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

awesome insight, thanks for your post

Actually, I think it's an exceptional response. The fact that this absurd thread has had enough legs to get to three pages is staggering to me. We do ourselves a disservice by giving it enough credence to actually respond as if it is raising something worth legitimate discussion.

It is nearly 2009 now, and the US is supposed to be an undeveloped nation 3 years from now? Sorry, no sale. Not even worth talking about...

[yesme]

Re: Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

Actually, I think it's an exceptional response. The fact that this absurd thread has had enough legs to get to three pages is staggering to me. We do ourselves a disservice by giving it enough credence to actually respond as if it is raising something worth legitimate discussion.

It is nearly 2009 now, and the US is supposed to be an undeveloped nation 3 years from now? Sorry, no sale. Not even worth talking about...

maybe it will be 6 yrs or 8 yrs.

the FACTS are if we dont get off the fed, and lower the debt, then we are thru, thats the bottom line.

[pr0ficient]

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awesome insight, thanks for your post

Okay,

I happen to think that anyone who doesn’t think that this statement is completely ludicrous needs to evaluate their understanding of the developed/developing nation concept.

If the United States were to suddenly shift from being a developed nation to a less developed nation it would have a huge & long-lasting detrimental effect on every other nation across the world. These other countries (i.e. Europe, Asia) would be in the same shape (and most likely in worse shape) than the US. It’s not like some other nation would just swoop right in and take our ‘developed nation spot.’ If this were to happen the whole concept of what a developed nation is today (in 2008 ) would probably no longer apply to any country and would have to be redefined completely.

Additionally, being a developed nation encompasses more than just financial status (although that certainly is a large component). It also includes things like literacy, human rights, democratic freedom, and industrialization. For all of these things to disappear in America it would mean that our government would have to completely collapse and so much of what America has fought for and now stands for would have to have been reversed.

[toasty]

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maybe it will be 6 yrs or 8 yrs.

the FACTS are if we dont get off the fed, and lower the debt, then we are thru, thats the bottom line.

Are there problems in the US right now, BIG problems? Of course.
Do we need to do something to get back on the right track IMMEDIATELY? Yep.
Are we headed in the wrong direction? You betcha.

That's not even in the same ballpark as "undeveloped nation," though. pr0ficient's most recent post on this is spot on.

[yesme]

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If the United States were to suddenly shift from being a developed nation to a less developed nation it would have a huge & long-lasting detrimental effect on every other nation across the world. These other countries (i.e. Europe, Asia) would be in the same shape (and most likely in worse shape) than the US. It’s not like some other nation would just swoop right in and take our ‘developed nation spot.’ If this were to happen the whole concept of what a developed nation is today (in 2008 ) would probably no longer apply to any country and would have to be redefined completely.

oh, i agree 100%, and in fact that is the goal, our leaders want us to beg for some kind of security and stability, hence a one world order, along witha one world money system.

It also includes things like literacy

and that is one thing we are falling way behind in as we speak.

human rights, democratic freedom

will be memories of the past when martial law comes down the pipes

and industrialization

funny, cause industry/manufacturing is dead already in this country.

For all of these things to disappear in America it would mean that our government would have to completely collapse and so much of what America has fought for and now stands for would have to have been reversed.

most of what america stood for in 1776 has been reversed, and if our dollar becomes worthless, the collapse of our government is more then certain.

but i guess since no other superpower has ever collapsed, then we being americans, it has to be immpossible.

i mean we are the best country in the world, we can spend and spend and spend, and nothing is gonna happen, because we are america damn it!!