A SAD, SAD DAY...

[Civic_Zen]

now that's just mud slinging. i sort of liked her. she wasn't a typical first lady but she was fiesty.

the one good thing about W being re-elected is that i bet his daughters are going to come out with some freaky deaky sex video. probably both of them banging some well hung black man. that would be worth another four years.

She was nothing but a spoiled little bitch. Jane Fonda Jr and cousin to Hillary Clinton. She joined my list of bitches to bitch slap if ever given the opportunity.

[asdf_admin]

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Sweet Gebus. She Sucked.

I am so thankful. :wink:

[Yao]

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Mwaahh...don't know. I think it's still the minorities dat had the lower turnout, and they would lean towards Kerry I think. Although I doubt they would've made up those 3.5 mln votes difference...

Dems had their highest turnout EVER... much because they had 527's working overtime to work the GOTV effort. They had like 250 vans/per organization (ACT, MOVEON, LCV) in each major city, in each state. Of course there are many lazy democrats, just as their are republicans, but i'd prefer they just not vote. Those people usually vote for the wrong reasons and their is a thing such as voter responsibility. Dems are just going to have to try even harder, just as they have been since 2000...if there will be any chance in 2008. I expect the Dems to play extremely dirty in the next race, definately noticed an increase this election. trash

You have point there Balanc. This time the people that did vote, voted for their own cause. Lazy voters don't think it over, and therefore should stay home.

And about Civic:

The way you put it, I wouldn't mind you guys having a republican president. I just don't like this one because he doesn't know when to leave people alone. Internationally you don't go round scoffing people and bluntly telling them what to do. International policy is about dialogue, and he seems to have forgotten that. And if he would lose some of the religious attitude, he wouldn't such a bad choice.
I am well aware of the history of the American continent, the struggle for freedom against the United Kingdom, the civil war, and the freedom spirit his has yielded. I respect that, and regret the fact that here in Europe we don't have such a conscience in common.

But Bush isn't like that: he's too personal in his approach of politics, and that is wrong. Keep the dialogue going, and try to find long-term structural solutions, not the one with the most eye-blinding effect in the short run.

I read Kerry's program to prevent terrorism from states that are liable to economical and political instability. I'll try to find it again, it wasn't perfect, but a better option than Bush has given them so far.

To get back to the point: I respect your viewpoints very much. You'd be a better rep president than Bush is. Otherwise, next time Guiliani or McCain.
Hillary is going to be flamed...I don't understand that she really thinks she makes a chance. I think she won't even have much support internationally...

[sacredawe78]

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you people still seem lost in political squabble...

still attached to the whole notion of being party affiliated...its really sad

and i do not understand how you people can sit here and go off on Heinz
with respect to her "coolness" level or even her moral objective

Laura Bush is about as dumb as an iron board housewife bend over for sugar daddy's oily dick and breed as ive ever seen

Heinz had a big inheritance, but I am not sure if she still has managerial powers in the company...i dont know her stake...that is irrelevant
anyhow

she isnt perfect...but look at laura bush...i mean she is definetly not any better...so why even argue about it?? theyre both just mirroring their husbands messages, so its really all about the "cool" factor??

get over that and move on to the issues

i

[sacredawe78]

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I HAVE DECIDED NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN...THANKS!!!!!!

do the world a favor and heed your own advice. you've already made your point, move on.

i probably would be doing the world a favor...overpopulation is an epidemic

good point...

adoption is more virtuous

let me know if you have anything good to say

i hope for our world's sake you also decide not to

[Garrick]

you are the one arguing man. you are the one starting shit. if you don't want to argue then shut the fuck up. we're arguing with you because you are insulting us. and not just one of us, the whole community. how biased is that and how presuming is it to think we all share the same opinion???? get the hell out if you can't deal with it. i like it peaceful here and i don't want you ruining my high or anyone else's.

or............. start talking about how sander rocked you and your mom last night at a sick club and how you are going to see digweed rock you and your sister at space. or talk about how much fun you are going to have at WMC this year (hell yeah!). all this political shit is giving me a headache. i'm done arguing in this stupid thread.

[sacredawe78]

your high??

ignorance is bliss

cliche but true

that is obviously what youve been sailing on

nice pic there...does that particular plane drop bombs??

[Civic_Zen]

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she isnt perfect...but look at laura bush...i mean she is definetly not any better...so why even argue about it?? theyre both just mirroring their husbands messages, so its really all about the "cool" factor??

Obviously you wern't paying much attention. Teresa is like Hillary became only AFTER Bill began his term. That was when we found out what a big mouth Hillary has. She was at least smart enough not to say such things while Bill was campaining. The only time she had nothing to say was after it was proven that Bill got head in the O Office. Then she was speachless. Sorry, but for political reasons or not, I have zero respect for a women that would stay with a man that has obviously cheated on her many many times. Why should I respect her when she obviously doesn't respect herself. Bill, I could care less that he got head, but I'm not his wife. And on that note, I have zero respect for a man like Kerry that marry's women for MONEY, and no other reason. Teresa was his second rich wife, or didn't you know that?

Teresa really hurt Kerry's campaign, she said a lot of things Kerry would never have said. In fact, I think she is a reasonably large contributing factor to Kerry's loss this election. Laura on the other hand is a good women, she knows when to keep her mouth shut. Which is exponentially important in politics. :wink:

PS - I am in no way intending this in a sexist manner, only that it is important to not always say what you mean, especially in politics. And especially when your only the spouse of the candidate. This would be JUST AS true for the First Man, once the first women gets elected to the White House.

[sacredawe78]

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she isnt perfect...but look at laura bush...i mean she is definetly not any better...so why even argue about it?? theyre both just mirroring their husbands messages, so its really all about the "cool" factor??

Obviously you wern't paying much attention. Teresa is like Hillary became only AFTER Bill began his term. That was when we found out what a big mouth Hillary has. She was at least smart enough not to say such things while Bill was campaining. The only time she had nothing to say was after it was proven that Bill got head in the O Office. Then she was speachless. Sorry, but for political reasons or not, I have zero respect for a women that would stay with a man that has obviously cheated on her many many times. Why should I respect her when she obviously doesn't respect herself. Bill, I could care less that he got head, but I'm not his wife. And on that note, I have zero respect for a man like Kerry that marry's women for MONEY, and no other reason. Teresa was his second rich wife, or didn't you know that?

Teresa really hurt Kerry's campaign, she said a lot of things Kerry would never have said. In fact, I think she is a reasonably large contributing factor to Kerry's loss this election. Laura on the other hand is a good women, she knows when to keep her mouth shut. Which is exponentially important in politics. :wink:

PS - I am in no way intending this in a sexist manner, only that it is important to not always say what you mean, especially in politics. And especially when your only the spouse of the candidate. This would be JUST AS true for the First Man, once the first women gets elected to the White House.

im not interested in being politically correct, but that seems to be all you are about

sorry...i dont want to tread in such shallow waters with you

[Yao]

Then don't. I begin to understand Garrick now, this is going nowhere. Lets call it a day here, I'm fed up with this. We try to be polite and understanding, but we also expect some respect for our points of view. This is a world with division, with politics and all it's consequences.

Get out of your dreamworld and deal with it.

[Civic_Zen]

I think we are all in agreement here Yao. Sacred is caught in his own little bubble, daydreaming about a pipe dream. Or perhaps its hallucinations caused by mescaline/peote. BTW, can I get some of that sacred?

[sacredawe78]

i am not living in a dreamworld...see my response to your original comment about being a "utopian"...as if that is an impossibility..

that is incorrect

yes it is a world filled with division, but politics are overvalued and science and philosphy undervalued when it comes to morality

politics are empty...people are being political for the sake of it...it is somehow being valued as a means of transgression...as if there is a real difference between all of these "parties"...as if they actually are moral agents...as if there is some real moral progress being made

give me a break!!

they are all capitalists...they are all nationalists

THEIR IS NO DIALECTICAL MOVEMENT IN POLITICS....THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH IT...SO DONT ACT LIKE IT IS SOME NECESSARY PART OF THIS WORLD

we could be philsophical and argumentative with morality being a science based on conqequentialism

ok???

wed still appeal to your world of endless "division" by continuing to argue..but it would be tactful and moral progess could be made

there is no "real" arguing in politics

there is no morality existent in politics because their is no moral agents and thus their is no dialectical reality

[sacredawe78]

I think we are all in agreement here Yao. Sacred is caught in his own little bubble, daydreaming about a pipe dream. Or perhaps its hallucinations caused by mescaline/peote. BTW, can I get some of that sacred?

ive never done peyote...though it would be nice im sure

ive done san pedro though....

if you want some try home depot

[Civic_Zen]

Neither have I. Now there is something I can agree with you on, I need to get me some of that.

[HoneyBearKelly]

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I'm staying and fighting but if you feel the need:http://marryanamerican.ca/