A SAD, SAD DAY...

[asdf_admin]

it really has been a ruff four years in America. I only hope "he" take this country and fix the problems within. I also hope his war in Iraq will be stopped, and he can start fixing all the holes in the walls that he has made.

I really hope. really hope.

[FASSTEDDIE]

Well we are all With keeping Push puss in the BUSH.Hope all that voted for that losser are happy.Now we are in for 4 years of Hell. .And how maney young solders must die in this war that Bush started.This really shows how brain washed Bush has most of the USA.All i hope in for God to Bless the USA.I really don't know what's going to happen with all the Republicans to another two years of control over the House of Representatives.If you thought thing's were bad.Well all bush fans will see,whats going to happen!!!!!

[LobsterClan]

"Why were we in this fight in the first place? Because terrible leaders are doing terrible things to our country and calling this wonderful. Because radical reactionaries are trying to impose their imperialist schemes on whoever they wish and calling this just. Because amoral oligarchs are determined to enhance their slice of the economic pie and calling this the natural order. Because flag-wrapped ideologues want to chop up civil liberties and call this security. Because myopians are in charge of America?s future.

We lost on 11/2. Came in second place in a crucial battle whose damage may still be felt decades from now. The despicable record of our foes makes our defeat good reason for disappointment and fear. Even without a mandate over the past four years, they have behaved ruthlessly at home and abroad, failing to listen to objections even from members of their own party. With the mandate of a 3.6-million vote margin, one can only imagine how far their arrogance will take them in their efforts to dismantle 70 years of social legislation and 50+ years of diplomacy.

Still, Tuesday was only one round in the struggle. It?s only the end if we let it be. I am not speaking solely of challenging the votes in Ohio or elsewhere ? indeed, I think even successful challenges are unlikely to change the ultimate outcome, which is not to say I don?t think the Democrats should make the attempt. And I?m not just talking about evaluating in depth what went wrong, then building on what was started in the Dean campaign to reinvigorate the grassroots of the Democratic Party, although I also think we must do that. I?m talking about the broader political realm, the realm outside of electoral politics that has always pushed America to live up to its best ideals and overcome its most grotesque contradictions.

Not a few people have spoken in the past few hours about an Americanist authoritarianism emerging out of the country?s current leadership. I think that?s not far-fetched. Fighting this requires that we stick together, not bashing each other, not fleeing or hiding or yielding to the temptation of behaving as if ?what?s the use??

It?s tough on the psyche to be beaten.Throughout our country?s history, abolitionists, suffragists, union organizers, anti-racists, antiwarriors, civil libertarians, feminists and gay rights activists have challenged the majority of Americans to take off their blinders. Each succeeded one way or another, but not overnight, and certainly not without serious setbacks.

After a decent interval of licking our wounds and pondering what might have been and where we went wrong, we need to spit out our despair and return ? united - to battling those who have for the moment outmaneuvered us. Otherwise, we might just as well lie down in the street and let them flatten us with their schemes."

[asdf_admin]

who wrote that?

[LobsterClan]

It's entitled "Don't Mourn, Organize", and it was written by 'Meteor Blades' from Daily Kos. http://www.dailykos.com/

Extremely eloquently put.

[asdf_admin]

i agree it is very well written. a wacky point of view, but hey it is the USA of so he does have his God given right. I guess it is always nice to have those people around, make sure this place does not go into a rotting hell.





"THANKS FOR CALLING, SENATOR"


fucking cracked me up. (drudge)

[Garrick]

... and killed millions of your people for an unjust cause...

you've made a great point Terry. Seeing the twin towers fall and kill over 4000 people because of a terrorist attack isn't a good reason to fight back, is it? try rethinking your comment. or just don't think.

[Yao]

It is...at first I though: "wow Lobster, didn't know you had become such an eloquent and intelligently speaking man overnight?"

But I was wrong...too bad for you, but this way the world still makes sense to me.

[sacredawe78]

meteor blades is right in his assessment...however, the system itself needs reevaluation...much likes Nietzsche's "transvaluation of values...." we need a 100% overhaul for things to start taking a more rational shape

i think the anger, the mourning, and the indignation should not rest for diplomacy....i think we need radical reform, i think that there are much more significan cultural historical forces that are causing our overall lack of communication and reason that need to be changed

we have to change our fundamental underlying value system to truly start looking at our ecology and our species in a sustaniable healthy way

we cannot ride on the coat tails of our christian inheritance, we cannot define our human relationships constantlly in terms of profit and loss, we cannot continue to think that political boundaries really do exist...last time i heard we were once pangea, last time i heard the earth is like 5 billion years old, and our particular species homo sapiens sapiens only about two houndred thousand, last time i heard hominids only about 4 to 5 millions years old....i think that political boundaries will long be forgotten when this particular species gives way to entropy

so lets start being RATIONAL, forget about nations!!! America does not exist, it is a figment of your imagination, it is our cultural inheritance from milliions of idiots who didnt know better

and another thing, last time i heard my DNA was about 98% mathematically similar to that of a chimpanzee, so i think that the dna between me and some mongolian has to be pretty damn close...therefore, mathematically, scientifically, RATIONALLY, I can say that to divide the species into Nations would go against our science!!!

How moronic can you be???


...SO

lets talk about things on a bit different level...lets focus on the Truth, and not get lost in some never ending political discourse where we will lose our minds in dogma


Kerry was only one small step of a possibility for progress..very very small....i resent that we could not even do that right....lets continue to mourn, be angry, because somewhere in that catharses is a way out for our species....obviiously, politics isnt working....we couldnt even get the guy who would be a band aid and allow us some room to gasp

[Garrick]

what i DON't understand is how Bush gets elected last term and doesn't win the overall people's vote. This election, his public credibility and acceptance ratings have plummeted, yet the overall people's vote, Bush wins this year. THAT makes no fucking sense at all.

[Yao]

No, it doesn't.

[Steve Graham]

what i dont get is.. with the whole electoral college. it is almost like saying some peoples votes worth less than others.

i mean, why dont they just let the people vote and be done with it.

well, he won the peoples vote.. ok, so that guy won.. but no?

fuck it.. this world is fucked anyway.. regardless of who occupies the white house.

[asdf_admin]

^^^ the most true statement said today.

it really does not matter both Kerry and Bush are part of Skull & Bones aka the Illuminati. We were fucked either way.

[sacredawe78]

we are royally fucked yes we are

so lets not all get diplomatic and pretend like that will change anything..the sentiments I expressed at the beginning of this thread characterize an existential disenfranchised member of a society/species who cannot communicate with his fellow man due to lack of reason that has consumed and ultimately devoured our values of truth and justice...we are all part of a system that does not value reason, but values money, therefore our communication is in itself flawed...

i can be nothing more than an existential OPINION...i cannot be recognized as a moral agent, because there is no actual two dimensional reality where reason provides a common footing (.i.e. argument)

therefore no dialectival movement can be made and therefore no actual morality exists at all

please read Alisdair Mcintyre's "After Virtue" for further clarification...

that, along with the anything by Nietzsche, some Aristotle, and The Tao Te Ching by Lao Tze will be the most important books you can read...please check them out

I cannot stress how important it is for us to understand our lack of real communication and how grave it is....

Our entire post modern culture exists because of it, from art to seeing two planes slam into the World Trade Center...extreme irony the common theme!

I think Kerry was not angry enough...that is why he did not strick a chord with the disillusioned...that is why he lost the election

It is time for a much more scientific and philosphical approach to resolving our dilemmas

[Yao]

You do sound a bit Utopian to me man...