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  • subterFUSE
    Gold Gabber
    • Nov 2006
    • 850

    Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

    By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    Published in the New York Post on November 23, 2008

    It is still hard to believe but, if Hillary Clinton's "confidantes" are to be trusted, Barack Obama is about to appoint her secretary of state and she is about to accept. This appointment represents the capstone of betrayal of Obama's promise to be the "change we can believe in."

    Having upended the Democratic Party, largely over his different views on foreign policy and the war in Iraq, he now turns to the leader of the ancient regime he ousted, derided, mocked and criticized to take over the top international-affairs position in his administration.

    No longer, apparently, does he distrust Hillary's "judgment," as he did during the debates when he denounced her vote on the Iraq War resolution. Now, all is forgiven. After all, Obama's election, the only change he apparently truly believed in, is a fait accompli.

    Apart from the breathtaking cynicism of the appointment lies the total lack of foreign-policy experience in the new partnership. Neither Clinton nor Obama has spent five minutes conducting any aspect of foreign policy in the past. Neither has ever negotiated anything or dealt with diplomatic issues. It is the blonde leading the blind.

    And then there is the question of whether we want a Secretary of State who is compromised, in advance, by her husband's dealings with repressive regimes in Kuwait, Kazakhstan, Dubai, the UAE, Morocco, and governments about which we know nothing. These foreign leaders have paid the Clinton family millions of dollars E2 directly and through their library and/or foundation - funds they can and have used as personal income. How do we know that she can conduct foreign policy independently even if it means biting those who have fed her and her husband?

    But the most galling aspect of the appointment is that it puts Obama in the midst of an Administration which, while he appointed it, is not his own. Rather he has now created a government staffed by Clinton people, headed by Clinton appointees, and dominated by Hillary herself. He has willingly created the same untenable situation as that into which Lyndon Johnson stepped when JFK was assassinated in 1963. Johnson inherited a cabinet wholly staffed by Kennedy intimates with Bobby himself as Attorney General. LBJ had no choice and had to spend two years making the government his own. But Obama had all the options in the world and chose to fence himself in by appointing Hillary as Secretary of States, Clinton cabinet member Bill Richardson for Commerce, Clinton staffer Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff, Clinton buddy (and top lobbyist) Tom Daschle to HHS, and Bill's Deputy Attorney General, Eric Holder, to Justice.

    Presidents Clinton and Lincoln similarly appointed what Doris Kearns Goodwin has famously called a "team of rivals" to staff their cabinets and Administrations. Lincoln named all of his opponents for the Republican presidential nomination to senior posts in his cabinet and Clinton staffed his White House and much of his cabinet with ambassadors to other wings of the Democratic Party. George Stephanopoulos was his ambassador to House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt, Harold Ickes his emissary to organized labor, Al Gore his delegate to the environmentalists, Leon Panetta his liaison with Congressional committee chairmen, Ron Brown his man in the black community, and Henry Cisneros as his go-between with the Hispanics.

    In each case, the president acted because to bolster his ties with the factions of his own party because he feared how he would fare with his party in total control of Congress. Neither the Republicans of 1861 nor the Democrats of 1992 saw the president from their own party as their natural leaders. Lincoln's colleagues had chosen him only after a deadlock between the two front runners had paralyzed the convention. Clinton got the nomination only after Governor Mario Cuomo of New York, the party's favorite, had pulled out. Each man was elected with barely 40% of the vote. So each felt constrained to share power with their rivals.

    While Obama was not the early favorite of his party, he does not need to defer so ostentatiously to those who fought him for the nomination. His general election mandate clearly entitled him to name who he pleased. But he has chosen to nominate men and women with no loyalty to him and no real stake in his future.

    And, standing above all his appointees, like a president-in-exile, is Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    If Obama needed any warning about how Hillary will play the game, he need only look at how she handled her appointment. She forced Obama to see her by publicly complaining that she had not heard from him. When he raised the possibility of her appointment to State, she then leaked word that it was in the works. Even the announcement of her appointment was not made by Obama but leaked by Hillary's "confidantes."

    Hillary will be a loose cannon as Secretary of State, vindicating her own agenda rather than that of the president and burnishing her own image at every turn. Not since Cordell Hull in the 30s have we had a Secretary so interested in running for president. Not since William Jennings Bryan in the 1910s have we had a defeated nominee named as Secretary. Obama will not be able to control Hillary nor will he be able to control his own administration with Emanuel as Chief of Staff. He will find that his appointees will march to the beat of their own drummer - if he is lucky - and Hillary's if he is not.

    Either Obama has chosen to put himself in this untenable situation because he is not wise in the ways of Washington or because he plans to be little more than a figurehead. Given his campaign, neither seems likely. But his promise of change has proven so bankrupt that maybe the rest of his candidacy is too.
  • Localizer
    Platinum Poster
    • Jul 2004
    • 2021

    #2
    Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

    Ya, this is something I never understood. I'm totally against her coming on board but it probably has more to do with the fact that now Obama can win over the rest of Hillary's constituency. This a strike for Obama in my book as I don't want Hillary in any part of the administration. Here's to hoping she actually becomes decent at foreign affairs.
    Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
    -Bertrand Russell

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    • toasty
      Sir Toastiness
      • Jun 2004
      • 6585

      #3
      Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

      Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer, IMO. By putting her in the administration, he minimizes the risk that she's going to do anything to undermine his efforts.

      Apart from Hillary herself, I do think that the criticism of Obama appointing former Clinton people is a bit overstated. Bill Richardson may very well have been a member of Clinton's administration, but he publicly, and to the great consternation of the Clintons, spurned them in favor of Obama during the primaries. There are a number of folks that have been in Obama's tent from the word go that are former Clinton people, but once they align themselves with Obama with Hillary running, are they really "Clinton people" anymore?

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      • Localizer
        Platinum Poster
        • Jul 2004
        • 2021

        #4
        Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

        Originally posted by toasty
        Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer, IMO. By putting her in the administration, he minimizes the risk that she's going to do anything to undermine his efforts.

        Apart from Hillary herself, I do think that the criticism of Obama appointing former Clinton people is a bit overstated. Bill Richardson may very well have been a member of Clinton's administration, but he publicly, and to the great consternation of the Clintons, spurned them in favor of Obama during the primaries. There are a number of folks that have been in Obama's tent from the word go that are former Clinton people, but once they align themselves with Obama with Hillary running, are they really "Clinton people" anymore?
        I don't mind that other clinton officials are coming back in. I just don't like Hillary. She is the John McCain of the left, she's outspoken, overbearing, authoritative, and flip-flopper, plus a liar.

        I mean, at least Chelsea Clinton is hot.
        Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
        -Bertrand Russell

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        • 88Mariner
          My dick is smaller
          • Nov 2006
          • 7128

          #5
          Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

          The most self-obsessed self-serving person sitting as SecState? I'm with Christopher Hitchens on this (new column up on Slate), this is a masochistic move.
          you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky

          it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles

          Am I somewhere....in the corners of your mind....

          ----PEACE-----

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          • toasty
            Sir Toastiness
            • Jun 2004
            • 6585

            #6
            Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

            Originally posted by Localizer
            I mean, at least Chelsea Clinton is hot.
            Who would have thought that we'd ever see this sentence used? I don't know that IO'd go so far as to call her hot, but she certainly grew into herself, that's for sure. It was a little touch and go during her younger years...

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            • shosh
              Banned
              • Jun 2004
              • 4668

              #7
              Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

              Originally posted by toasty
              Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer, IMO. By putting her in the administration, he minimizes the risk that she's going to do anything to undermine his efforts.

              Apart from Hillary herself, I do think that the criticism of Obama appointing former Clinton people is a bit overstated. Bill Richardson may very well have been a member of Clinton's administration, but he publicly, and to the great consternation of the Clintons, spurned them in favor of Obama during the primaries. There are a number of folks that have been in Obama's tent from the word go that are former Clinton people, but once they align themselves with Obama with Hillary running, are they really "Clinton people" anymore?
              wow thats a great reason to have her sos!!!

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              • 88Mariner
                My dick is smaller
                • Nov 2006
                • 7128

                #8
                Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

                ^ hardly. What Toasty is suggesting is that Clinton is a good choice, not for her credentials, but because it minimizes Obama's exposure to future attacks. Is he playing president or a game of chess?

                We'll find out soon enough...
                you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky

                it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles

                Am I somewhere....in the corners of your mind....

                ----PEACE-----

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                • toasty
                  Sir Toastiness
                  • Jun 2004
                  • 6585

                  #9
                  Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

                  Originally posted by shosh
                  wow thats a great reason to have her sos!!!
                  Not so much that it's a great reason to have her be SOS, but it does help explain why those like Dick Morris who think that her status as a loose cannon should disqualify her are wrong. This could be the best way to ensure that she sticks with the play book.

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                  • subterFUSE
                    Gold Gabber
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 850

                    #10
                    Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

                    Originally posted by toasty
                    Not so much that it's a great reason to have her be SOS, but it does help explain why those like Dick Morris who think that her status as a loose cannon should disqualify her are wrong. This could be the best way to ensure that she sticks with the play book.
                    I am more cynical. Where in the hierarchy does the SoS fall if the President, Vice President, Pres-Pro-Tem, and Speaker of the House all died?
                    I think Hillary would arrange for a mass execution made to look like an accident, and then the Presidency would finally be hers.

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                    • superdave
                      Platinum Poster
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 1366

                      #11
                      Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

                      Hillary being Secretary of State will take sometime to work itself out whether it's a good choice. I get why Obama picked her and how he appreciates differing points of view (like me). She seems very independent and not sure how she'll fall in line with the Obama administration. Again, we'll debate if she's a good pick for years.
                      Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake - Napoleon Bonaparte

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                      • chloe harris
                        Platinum Poster
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 1021

                        #12
                        Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

                        it would make me and a lot of people like him 10% more. he'd be smart to work with her. she's very smart, talented and educated and is very good at foreign affairs.
                        pillow humping rules.

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                        • 88Mariner
                          My dick is smaller
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 7128

                          #13
                          Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

                          Originally posted by chloe harris
                          it would make me and a lot of people like him 10% more. he'd be smart to work with her. she's very smart, talented and educated and is very good at foreign affairs.

                          I find this funny because Hillary Clinton is a hawk. Which is to say, a person I would presume you would not like.
                          you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky

                          it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles

                          Am I somewhere....in the corners of your mind....

                          ----PEACE-----

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                          • Localizer
                            Platinum Poster
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 2021

                            #14
                            Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

                            Originally posted by 88Mariner
                            I find this funny because Hillary Clinton is a hawk. Which is to say, a person I would presume you would not like.
                            For real; if anyone wants to slap a dick across the face of Iran, it's Hillary.
                            Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
                            -Bertrand Russell

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                            • chloe harris
                              Platinum Poster
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 1021

                              #15
                              Re: Hillary nomination would be an Obama-nation

                              we have different opinions.
                              pillow humping rules.

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