Would it bother you if your Army was on your own Soil??

[Shpira]

Re: Would it bother you if your Army was on your own Soil??

sorry was a double post

[i!!ustrious]

Re: Would it bother you if your Army was on your own Soil??

"Technology changes. People do not change."

As I said I think the current system fosters mediocrity, weakness, laziness and stupidity all traits that if nature had its way would be to a certain degree abolished. Furthermore I don't believe that we are "free" I think its all an elaborate illusion put in place for population control...not in some conspiracy theory sense but in the true meaning of population control...through national identities, religion, social groups etc.

i see where you are coming from... but c'mon man, you cant take for granted the basic liberties and rights this country stands for. yea, the current system does foster all of the above(it's quite sad too), only if you look at it like that. WE HAVE A CHOICE. it sure is hard at times, but we all posses the will and discrimination to take the wise steps or not. it's so easy to fall into those stagnant and retarded states forsure, but at the same time we do have infitite amounts of opportunites before us, as well as the potential to accelerate far beyond our conditions/handicaps, and become who we always wanted to become. despite all the bull shit, we should be thankful to be citizens here. true... "freedom" is a much abused term and rarely understood state.

[Miroslav]

Re: Would it bother you if your Army was on your own Soil??

"Technology changes. People do not change."

Thats a fair point...but even if you think that you could argue that there is more in favor of small wars than a big one. What I mean to say is that if you start with the premise that most wars (if not all) are fought for national gain i.e. realism etc. Then you could argue that there is more to gained from small wars rather than big ones as business can continue as usual while the government can exercise control over industry and everyday life.

Some people can also argue that there is more to be gained from a big war where they take out a nation that stands in the way of their dominance, lets them take their resources, etc.

"Great. Then I guess you won't mind having those freedoms and benefits you currently enjoy taken from you in the event that war ever erupts again and your own community comes under attack!"

As for this...I really won't. As I said I think the current system fosters mediocrity, weakness, laziness and stupidity all traits that if nature had its way would be to a certain degree abolished. Furthermore I don't believe that we are "free" I think its all an elaborate illusion put in place for population control...not in some conspiracy theory sense but in the true meaning of population control...through national identities, religion, social groups etc.

So you've just told me that if I and some friends came over to your house, you would be pleased to let us beat the crap out of you, put a gun to your head, force you to live in a cage as our prisoner, and help ourselves to all of your possessions! Wow. I don't know of another person in this world who is as generous as you.

[Shpira]

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w0e & cri5is

^^I understand what you are saying, but I tend to disagree to some extend. For one I don't think that there are opportunities to excel as much as this point is advertised in our "democracy". Without a doubt if you come from a privileged background you have a far better chance in life than someone who doesn't and the size of your bank account does determine the amount of "freedom" you have access to...furthermore, most families and individuals that are now rich have made their fortune on morally corrupt enterprises that have since become "illegal".
Now don't get me wrong I am not advertising communism here as that would also foster mediocrity big time. All I am saying is that if there was a war at least it would bring some much needed change to the system we live in.
All this might sound cruel or radical or whatever but everyday I believe more and more that maybe the restart button should be pressed. You can call that selfish saying who gets to decide and blabla ... but the really selfish thing IS this system - if a global poll was conducted with the question "should we redesign the global system?" i think the wast majority of the worlds poor souls would vote yes. I admit that I am probably amongst the more fortunate ones. My family is well off and the mere fact that I have time to think about these things means that I live well.
I don't really know the answer its just something I think about often.

[i!!ustrious]

Re: Would it bother you if your Army was on your own Soil??

well we have the opportunity to express ourselves, and absorb myriads of cultures for one. look at that in contradistinction to other countries. you get the picture.

ie. you read one of the more recent headlines in the news, regarding iran and what they are doing to the kids dressing in those 'satan western looks?' check it out.

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'democracy' is in it's premature infancy still... imho.

[Shpira]

Re: Would it bother you if your Army was on your own Soil??

As for you Miro...No, what I am saying is that I would welcome you and your friends to try and come to do all the things you dream of doing Then you would be introduced to some things I keep in the closet in the "just in case" box...


"Some people can also argue that there is more to be gained from a big war where they take out a nation that stands in the way of their dominance, lets them take their resources, etc."

Yeah, but its not about nations anymore. Its all about companies. I think that national sovereignty has been slowly but surely eroded during the past 60 years or so...if you look at the way nations compete world wide with best tax breaks lowest minimum wage etc you see what I mean. Corporations, bankers have a huge influence on national governments. It is essentially they who decide on issues such as war etc...not directly of course but through their influence on key pillars of government and through media influence on the nation.

[Shpira]

Re: Would it bother you if your Army was on your own Soil??

well we have the opportunity to express ourselves for one. look at that in contradistinction to other countries. you get the picture.

ie. look at one of the more recent headlines in the news, regarding iran and what they are doing to the kids dressing in those 'satan western looks,' check it out.

'democracy' still is in it's very premature infancy though... imho.

I think "democracy" is long dead. If indeed it ever existed. What we have today is a "version of democracy" just as the USSR was a "version of communism" ... more like perversion the both of them if you ask me.

But about Iran...thats partly my point why is it do you think ppl hate the west? Is it because of our way of life? If you believe that then your crazy...or I suppose you could say they hate our way of life in some sense...they hate the way the west exploits the whole underdeveloped world, the way the west attempts to spread its value system world wide and in the process destroy any kind of national identity or local culture.

All of these things are all the more reason why things should be changed...I don't know how and any of my suggestions would be very impractical borderline impossible. About 3 years ago I spent considerable time drawing up a new political system (I had a bet with one of my teachers, this was a way of getting an A even though I skipped most of the lectures.) and I did think of one that was partly based on Plato's republic partly on some ideas advertised by Rawls and partly on some ideas Marx had...but it was very radical and cruel to say the least.

[i!!ustrious]

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ya its all fucked up, but i can endure this shit and handle it. it's better than nothing, atleast we can work with it.

the bulk of people here arn't the reason why they hate us, its the fucking media, shamless commercialism, etc. etc. etc.

edit: oh and they hate us also because they are still stuck in mideval thought patterns and beliefs, and they know it sucks balls, and they don't wanna move on.


look at the satellite image at night of north korea.

[Shpira]

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p.s. I doesn't say angry boy child under my name for no reason
PPL who know me privatly from this forum laughed their asses off when they read that

[i!!ustrious]

Re: Would it bother you if your Army was on your own Soil??

^ fuck yeah, this kid is pissT!

[Shpira]

Re: Would it bother you if your Army was on your own Soil??

the masses of people here arnt the problem, its the fucking media, shamless commercialism, corps. etc etc etc.

ya its all fucked up, but i can endure this shit and handle it. it's better than nothing.

look at the satellite image at night of north korea. lmao.

Yeah as I said I will endure I am good with the current system i.e. if I had selfish ambitions I would be a very happy man...but sometimes it just a little too much for me to bear all the stupidity and unfairness of the world. I honestly think the difference between a total war and the current system for many would be a difference in shades of black.

[Miroslav]

Re: Would it bother you if your Army was on your own Soil??

As for you Miro...No, what I am saying is that I would welcome you and your friends to try and come to do all the things you dream of doing Then you would be introduced to some things I keep in the closet in the "just in case" box...

Glad to hear it. I had been having serious doubts about your sanity.

So what if society is not perfect? That's not the point. There was never a perfect government, a perfect societal structure, or a perfect economic system. And there never will be. People are not perfect.

But my point is that you are fortunate enough to have many basic freedoms and rights and they are always worth defending. Do not take them for granted. Not everyone has them.

Yeah, but its not about nations anymore. Its all about companies. I think that national sovereignty has been slowly but surely eroded during the past 60 years or so...if you look at the way nations compete world wide with best tax breaks lowest minimum wage etc you see what I mean. Corporations, bankers have a huge influence on national governments. It is essentially they who decide on issues such as war etc...not directly of course but through their influence on key pillars of government and through media influence on the nation.

Globalization has interlinked the world economically, but of course nations still matter. Look at what happened between Russia and Georgia recently, and the tensions that are growing due to US-led missile defense system. Look at what Iran is doing as it gains nuclear missile capability and threatens other nations in its region. Furthermore, look at the potential for terrorist entities not directly tied to any one nation to cause massive damage around the world.

I think you are way too optimistic about people. The drivers for war are ultimately rooted in human nature, and human nature does not change. If anything, we are at increasingly greater risk because technology continues to grow exponentially while human nature and prudence has not improved one bit since the beginning of mankind. Today, one individual can have the power to press a button and cause devastation that used to be impossible even for armies of thousands. I think you will be in for a big surprise.

[Shpira]

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You have a point about at least being grateful for what i do have...that is true and yes perhaps I am too optimistic about mankind in general after all-all information is readily available if ppl were only interested and active rather than being lazy and content in their own pile of shit.

As for your points on nations...you slightly contradict yourself. Terrorism is an example in addition to the one I mentioned before of nations becoming less important in international relations. However I find it difficult to say that nations that produce terrorists should not be held responsible for the actions of their citizens i.e. if a nation is not capable of educating its population and keep it under wraps it should be replaced with one that will be able to that. What I mean to say is that even though I am against military intervention on foreign soil I can see the logic of doing so under the current system.
Although on the other hand who knows where these terrorists really come from and who funds them...all the information is kept under such strict control that its impossible to tell for a fact. I have even contemplated on the idea of the west funding the terrorists for their own aims...who knows what the truth is.

As for the tension between Georgia and Russia that was a fairly predictable outcome...I mentioned that as a possibility in the near future about a year ago when Kosovo became independent.
People assume that Putin and Russia as a whole are any different to the west which is untrue...his aims and the aims of those who control Russia might be different or mutually exclusive to the aims the US has but that does not make them different. If you read some books about Russian politics you will realize that Putin is just a "businessman" with a strong backing from other "businessman" in Russia just as all (or most) American presidents. Therefore they have similar interests of economic cooperation.

As for the issue of one little man pressing a button...the man who I was worried most about pressing that little button has just left the oval office so I can sleep better now. The rest...who can tell its far too unpredictable...btw buying a nuclear warhead was easiest during the Yeltsin years when according to research I read back then you could buy one for around 200k US dollars so again if nothing like that happened then I am inclined to believe that nothing will any time soon.