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I'd get one but I have 3 young boys and I feel the chances of them hurting themselves or others is greater than someone breaking into our home......where I live @ least
Then what the fuck is the point of debating this issue? Clearly all you want to do is tell us Americans how we are wrong, so yes you are bound to countries, especially since you can't comprehend why we have this type of law in place. You'd rather be oblivious to our understanding and instead enforce your own idealogy upon us without any consideration of the impact that this piece of paper has had on this country, both past and present. We didn't all of the sudden just say 'fuck, let's just make it ok to carry weapons.' No, there was history behind that, a violent one none-the-less; one, for some reason, is beyond your comprehension.
This is the fucking irony in the world today. It's ok for the world to criticize us and tell us to learn about the world, etc... but it's not ok for the world to understand how the basis of our society and laws were derived. So don't come in here telling people 'it's common sense' to not have guns when you so lack any understanding of our history.
We don't need to know your history beyond your gun homicide statistics to comment on this.
Your second amendment may give you the right to bear arms but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say it's compulsory !
Btw Australia did ban certain weapons and change laws and we had a positive result.
American society has an effect on the whole world , it's actually a good thing that we show an interest.
Originally posted by TheVrk
it IS incredible isn't it??
STILL pumpin out great set after great set...never cheesed out, never sold out, never lost his touch..
Simply does not get any better than Hernan
^^^ Spot on!!!
We don't need to know your history beyond your gun homicide statistics to comment on this.
Your second amendment may give you the right to bear arms but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say it's compulsory !
No, I do not own a gun nor feel the need to at this time.
For better or for worse, the second amendment also gives Americans the right to bear their stupidity, ignorance, and violent tendencies through the lens of a lethal explosive projectile, which so many of them gladly do [to each other] on a daily basis.
I like your Christ.
I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. Mahatma Gandhi
for all foreign critics -- i suggest making a honest, and unprejudiced striving to learn history (not just your textbook cheese, and quacky conspiracy speculations available at the bookstore) before making such vain assumptions. intuition strikes the inner keynotes if you have that truth within you, i heard once.
formulating a well thought out opinion based on gun-crime homicidal stats would be in-congruent when making an appeal to outlaw firearms. here is why:
any fool can find a gun in this digital/information age, simply if they just desired it.
the stats only dimly and apparently reflect how fucked the situation is here. the government(such saps) should be making tougher efforts to stem gun crime, and they should be pushing especially hard on the gun running organizations and cartels -- that should be top priority. they all operate with relative impunity like it where a breeze forsures. i can guarantee you as well that a significant number of the guns used in homicides come from the 'black market' in some way. ffs. i could leave the house right now and head over to the regionally known underground spots and pick up a concealed weapon (handgun) and be back within the hour, and i dont even live in the inner city or participate in any illegal activity now. even average and partially informed people, here, can gain access to such a grim spectacle as easy as it is to find your closest starbucks, no doubt about it. it's like the hypocritical war on drugs, it's futility.
my point is this, we are up to our heads in problems on all fronts here in america (and verily the whole world)... its like a burning house that does not let up, and keeps on truckin. like localizer said, prohibition will only make things worse in this 'compulsory' and fast pace society.
the paramount and essential freedom that the second amendment grants is there for those few and far between integral individuals who can make a positive difference, for the general good, and uphold a steady equilibrium to counter all the stupidity, corruption and wrong spewing forth from humanity. sure there will be epic fuck ups and accidents along the way -- but that happens in life. its not just about protection at all, but a strong conscious determination to have the discipline to bear such a hard liability, and stand (subjectively and objectively) strong against all the bullshit, even if you are not directly effected -- day in and day out. quality, good and constructive shit gets done that way.
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"Son," he said without preamble, "never trust a man who doesn't drink because he's probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Some of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They're the judges, the meddlers. And, son, never trust a man who drinks but refuses to get drunk. They're usually afraid of something deep down inside, either that they're a coward or a fool or mean and violent. You can't trust a man who's afraid of himself. But sometimes, son, you can trust a man who occasionally kneels before a toilet. The chances are that he is learning something about humility and his natural human foolishness, about how to survive himself. It's damned hard for a man to take himself too seriously when he's heaving his guts into a dirty toilet bowl."
^^^ Spot on!!!
We don't need to know your history beyond your gun homicide statistics to comment on this.
Really? How about you point out those statistics and the breakdown of those statistics per state.
Your second amendment may give you the right to bear arms but I'm pretty sure it doesn't say it's compulsory !
oxymoron. right to bear arms, well regulated militia = compulsory to a, say it with me now, free state.
Btw Australia did ban certain weapons and change laws and we had a positive result.
Right, and the UK knife bans have worked so well
American society has an effect on the whole world , it's actually a good thing that we show an interest.
I never said it was a bad thing, I merely stated that the rest of the world needs to not be so egotistical and yuppy sounding as if they're so ethically and morally righteous than everyone else.
Originally posted by CactusBeats
No, I do not own a gun nor feel the need to at this time.
For better or for worse, the first amendment also gives Americans the right to express their stupidity, ignorance, and violent tendencies through the lens of a verbal explosive projectile, which so many of them gladly do [to each other] on a daily basis.
see how that works? plur mannnnn.
Originally posted by lucky charms
formulating a well thought out opinion based on gun-crime homicidal stats would be in-congruent when making an appeal to outlaw firearms. here is why:
any fool can find a gun in this digital/information age, simply if they just desired it.
the stats only dimly and apparently reflect how fucked the situation is here. the government(such saps) should be making tougher efforts to stem gun crime, and they should be pushing especially hard on the gun running organizations and cartels -- that should be top priority. they all operate with relative impunity like it where a breeze forsures. i can guarantee you as well that a significant number of the guns used in homicides come from the 'black market' in some way. ffs. i could leave the house right now and head over to the regionally known underground spots and pick up a concealed weapon (handgun) and be back within the hour, and i dont even live in the inner city or participate in any illegal activity now. even average and partially informed people, here, can gain access to such a grim spectacle as easy as it is to find your closest starbucks, no doubt about it. it's like the hypocritical war on drugs, it's futility.
Exactly, the government needs to crack down on the illegal arms trading, not on the citizens of the US who legitimately and legally hold firearms. But I guess none of these self-righteous world lovers ever followed the DC gun ban overturn. If you don't like guns, fine, but don't come barking up our tree telling us we shouldn't have them and that we're logically inept for having them.
Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
-Bertrand Russell
honestly, I dont think anyone on here has said EVER that guns should be banned, or that EVERY one that owns one legally or illegally is logically inept.. dont get all fucking high and mighty asking to spout out statistics you havent done so either
she is right though, just because you are allowed or have the right to do something doesnt mean you HAVE to.. most everyone over the age of 21 has the legal right to drink, but not every one does or feels like they have to
my point in this thread only has been yes it is a right, and i am fine with that, I choose not town one and thats my choice.. it is just unfortunate that:
1. any idiot can get a gun just as easy as someone that has the maturity to own one
2. there is so much illegal weapons trafficking, the above will never change
banning is NEVER the answer, regulation is, but neither is realistically possible
imagine if all the selfish and foolish gun owners in all those myriad incidents -- like the one above -- did the right thing, and keep thier guns in a fucking safe. omfg.
honestly, I dont think anyone on here has said EVER that guns should be banned, or that EVERY one that owns one legally or illegally is logically inept.. dont get all fucking high and mighty asking to spout out statistics you havent done so either
Honestly, I don't think you read the thread then. You have posters lambasting our intelligence by saying not having guns is common sense, which basically states that we're logically corrupt, without any regard as to why we have an amendment for it. And I didn't bring up statistics there buddy, your homeboy DIDI did, so the burden of proof isn't on me. I'm sorry that a significant portion of the people can't grasp the simple concept as to why we are allowed to own firearms.
she is right though, just because you are allowed or have the right to do something doesnt mean you HAVE to.. most everyone over the age of 21 has the legal right to drink, but not every one does or feels like they have to
Well no shit; the premise wasn't that we don't have the choice, the premise was essentially why we are allowed to have them in the first place.
Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
-Bertrand Russell
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