Carl Craig is a fucking ...

[DIDI]

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Seeing they seem to be early twenties I think I might be right there.!

[kassios]

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Theres a big difference between a laptop dj and a dj imo....what took me to learn in 1-2 years on the decks can now be easily learned in a months time with laptop djing....not trying to be a purist here but i love and respect the dj culture and watching a Dj mixing on the laptop just doesnt do it for me...well till now
This will take some time to accept but i guess in the future it will be more acceptable...end of the day people care what tunes your banging and not how you play them.

[chuckc]

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Theres a big difference between a laptop dj and a dj imo....what took me to learn in 1-2 years on the decks can now be easily learned in a months time with laptop djing....not trying to be a purist here but i love and respect the dj culture and watching a Dj mixing on the laptop just doesnt do it for me....

^^^^exactly

sad to see this is where this is the route some of the big timers are going. djs clicking away with there mouse...hillarious

[DancingQueen]

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I can't understand how in this industry/scene people can't embrace technology and change. These are the same arguments that came out when DJ's started switching from vinyl to CD. Technology changes and if you as a DJ can't change and adapt along with it, you will not succeed....you will be left behind.

No matter what means you use to present your music and soul to the crowd, you still need the skills and abilities to transition a track and move a crowd. You either have it or you don't, and the type of equipment you use, won't change that.

[chuckc]

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^^^its becuase the cpu is doing the majority of the dirty work for u. what took years to master know is a piece of cake with just a short few months with the software. trax perfectly sinked to together holding it in pefect time.

how do u think there able to play 4 decks at once. sure as f*ck couldnt do it as well with there own hands on the decks.

[kassios]

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This is propper skills




[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I8VXgiGqF4&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

[chuckc]

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^^wow thanks for posting that... and to all u early 20's so called djs behind ur laptops...

watch that video...that is djing. that takes real skills


not clicking wiht ur mouse behind ur laptop.

[feather]

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Let's agree that a laptop rocks for layering and efx. Let's agree that whether it's a laptop OR decks, anyone can learn to make a transition.

We're talking about maintaining a long mix between two tracks manually. On a laptop, the tracks are locked in, they don't deviate. You're free to do whatever else you please. On decks, vinyls do deviate, so while you're free to do whatever else you please, you still have to be aware and fix any abberations on those decks. Which logically makes whatever extras you want to do, more difficult.

That's all there is to it. This has absolutely nothing to do with the capabilities of one system vs another, this has absolutely nothing to do with any DJ's choice of weapons. We're simply talking about the mastery of a physical skill here, which, when employed with a well thoughout track selection, gives you an amazing set. As opposed to taking the physical skill out of the equation, and keeping only the brains for a well thoughtout track selection.

Some of you folks are being too precious about the software side of things, I certainly have no compunction acknowledging or embracing the cool shit that technology brings.

[Steve Graham]

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I can't understand how in this industry/scene people can't embrace technology and change. These are the same arguments that came out when DJ's started switching from vinyl to CD. Technology changes and if you as a DJ can't change and adapt along with it, you will not succeed....you will be left behind.

No matter what means you use to present your music and soul to the crowd, you still need the skills and abilities to transition a track and move a crowd. You either have it or you don't, and the type of equipment you use, won't change that.

well said!

i think some of you are missing the argument comparing using ableton to present a set vs using serato or traktor scratch..

I have been djing in some form or another since 1988.. the first mix tape i ever made i used a rack mount home stereo system, rubber bands, pennies and a second hand technics turntable that had a +/- 2 pitch adjust.. I am fine with a dj using serato or final scratch or tractor scratch.. because either way you are still cueing up a track and matching beats and programming to bring the levels of the track in and out and the time you actually drop in the bass line and the meat of the track... its the age old discussion.. is djing more to do with track selection? beat matching? programming? one of these or all of them?
my god, whats the difference between a dj looking at his/her lap top to search for his/her next track or thru his/her cd wallet or a crate of records?

again, burning cds blows.. if vinyl wasnt so expensive or difficult to come by, i would gladly still spin vinyl, but unfortunately thats not the way it is
its also heavy as fuck, and scratches easily

then there are the looping and sampling advantages to using digital format, and the ultimate control over what you are presenting to the crowd

there is so much more to it than just the ease of using a laptop.. and again if you are not actually a dj you probably really wont be able to understand
and if watching a dj pull a black piece of plastic out of a sleeve or a cd out of a wallet is what gets you going at a club.. well, there is nothing left to say other than .. really?

[chuckc]

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its not the same imo. my mind we never be changed. i take it ur going to start djing with a cpu now steve?

digweed on a cpu. just cant even fathom it...espcially after watching him intensly at the vagabond show.

just watch the video. that is djing.


is djing more to do with track selection? beat matching? programming? one of these or all of them

all of them

[DIDI]

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Well, guess you don't classify as a a young whippersnapper Steve.

there is so much more to it than just the ease of using a laptop.. and again if you are not actually a dj you probably really wont be able to understand

I think that has been acknowledged here many times. But we don't have to be a Dj to know what we enjoy??

and if watching a dj pull a black piece of plastic out of a sleeve or a cd out of a wallet is what gets you going at a club.. well, there is nothing left to say other than .. really?

To quote "There is so much more to it" Actually, while it is fun to see what some Djs do with vinyl , I have never got into the vinyl v cd issue. What a lot of people are saying is true, it is the end result that counts. But for some the end result means different things. I'll tell you what isn't fun, seeing Djs try vinyl when they haven't been doing it for a while

[chuckc]

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I'll tell you what isn't fun, seeing Djs try vinyl when they haven't been doing it for a while

so tru.

and to think who bad it will get with all of them sitting behind there laptops.....

they will have all lost all of the true skills it takes to be a REAL dj...

[DancingQueen]

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my god, whats the difference between a dj looking at his/her lap top to search for his/her next track or thru his/her cd wallet or a crate of records?

again, burning cds blows.. if vinyl wasnt so expensive or difficult to come by, i would gladly still spin vinyl, but unfortunately thats not the way it is
its also heavy as fuck, and scratches easily

then there are the looping and sampling advantages to using digital format, and the ultimate control over what you are presenting to the crowd

there is so much more to it than just the ease of using a laptop.. and again if you are not actually a dj you probably really wont be able to understand
and if watching a dj pull a black piece of plastic out of a sleeve or a cd out of a wallet is what gets you going at a club.. well, there is nothing left to say other than .. really?

exactly!

There is nothing different than flipping through your music on a computer or in front of you in vinyl or cd form....you are still selecting the tracks you are going to play.

chuckc you ask if is djing more to do with track selection? beat matching? programming? one of these or all of them and then you say all of them. You are right, it is all of them....but how does it matter what form you use to do these things? The end result is the same if you truly have the skills and abilities in the first place.

Anyone can pick songs and play them together, but you have to have the ability to feel and work a crowd and transition tracks in and out of one another in a way that you can express yourself.....No piece of equipment is going to make you a talented dj if you can't do these things

[chuckc]

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^^^please, u have to admit its so much easier on the cpu than it is with a pair of decks. it takes the beat matching and holding trax in time out of the equation... last time i checked that was a big part

[lilsensa]

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^^I guess the saying "dj'ing on a cpu" is too vague... Mixing tracks on Ableton is much more cut and dry than mixing tracks on Serato or Traktor....

With Serato or Traktor, you have to actually "mix" the tracks, they don't stay in sync.... Like SG said, having Serato or Traktor is simply just another way to bring your tracks to a gig (on a hard drive).. These two programs DO NOT mix for you.