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You gotta love that comment - where were you calling the Hamas and Islamic Jihad rockets that have rained down on Israel since 2000, but specifically since the disengagement in 2005?
Either I've missed your posts condemning those almost 3000 rockets over three years, or you're just a hypocrite? Which is it?Comment
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First of all I would be glad if you could please lay off that offensive language. Everyone is entitled to his own opinions and it would be nicer on replying to other people's comments with respect.
The Hamas leaders are pathetic cause they risk their own civilians and innocent people and because they have caused so many casualties on Israel cities for so many years. On the other hand, Isralei leaders are pathetic as well cause they are so desperate to look tough!
"Defense" doesn't mean the same thing when one antagonist is a state and the other a networked organization. Such sets of policies and tools don't work anymore. They make things worse. Has Israel become safer by following such tactics?
So political leaders (including Europe's and USA ones) need to stop framing this deadly mayhem as some sort of justified or normal behavior.
Finally, every single day, as soon as we turn on the TV, we see children there die in the hospitals, adults dying, children dying on the floor ... I do not want to see this happen not in Gaza nor in Ashkelon or Sderotor or anywhere else in the world
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So calling you a hypocrite is now offensive? Have you posted anywhere over the past 3 years condemning Hamas for its actions against my country? No. But when we put a stop to our cities getting bombed you find that offensive.
I'm sorry for calling you a hypocrite, I was wrong. You're a fucking idiot and a hypocrite. Better now?Comment
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You're right, sad and angry.
Sad because its apparent that you have no concern at the amount of rockets that have hit my country over the past three years, rockets that have rained down on schools, playgrounds, hospitals, kindergartens, supermarkets, in fact anywhere where our citizens go - rockets that were clearly 'war crimes';
And angry because the only time you say anything is when we try stop the homicidal manics of Hamas from firing rockets into our country, rockets that have been specifically targeted at our schools, playgrounds, hospitals, kindergartens, supermarkets, in fact anywhere our citizens go - which is clearly a war crime, and yet acceptable by you it would seem.Comment
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If it wasn't so incredibly sad , this would be laughable , those rockets are incapable of targeting anything.The 'club spirit' is in the soul. It Never DiesOriginally posted by TheVrkComment
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honestly, is anyone surprised by any of this?
what did we expect when the world basically carved out a Jewish nation in 1948 right in the middle of a bunch of hostile, extremist Islamic nations?
look, I feel very sorry for the Jewish persecution throughout history, and I know they have historical ties to that region, but there was just no way that it was ever going to work.
the whole thing is doomed and will really only be resolved when global nuclear war erupts some day in the not too distant future as a result of this.mixes: www.waxdj.com/miroslavComment
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Uhum....
Guys, this subject is cause for so many fights around the world, lets not add to it here, won't solve anything. We are just trying to share opinions in a respectable way, we are not children and most of us here know what they are talking about, so lets do it within the boundaries of respect otherwise this thread will turn into non-sense salad.
IMO, LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of things are to be condemned from BOTH SIDES!
An example that concerns me for instance: I could point out the illegal cluster bombs that Israel dropped on southern Lebanon in 2006, remember the number?
=> 1.000.000+ cluster bombs dropped in less than 30 days! They are still there and are still killing children and disabling innocent people as we type.
And David, please don't give me the reason as of why the IDF dropped the cluster bombs, we all know "the excuse". At difference of rockets used in a conventional war, cluster bombs are ILLEGAL worldwide due to the amazing nasty damage it causes in space (surface area) and time: a treaty was signed not long ago banning them from usage worldwide......All the nations signed the treaty except a few ones that you could count with 1 hand, and I let you imagine which countries they are...
A legal example (taken in a broad sense):
In western law (at least in the societies that have their penal code based on the french code, which is the root): if someone attacks you with a knife and you happen to have a gun on you and you shoot and kill the guy:
well, as far as the law is concerned, you will be found guilty in court!
People might say "it is considered self-defense", when it is not!
It is not coz there is no "equal force" applied here (white weapon vs real weapon):
With a gun you could have just shot him to wound him instead of shooting him for killing him.
There lies the legal nuance, the term "self-defense" lies within a thin line from "offense"...
Do I make any sense in my explanation?
Extremism: It exists all over the world and in many forms, whether it is in the US, in France, in Germany, in South Africa, in Afghanistan, in Israel and Palestine or elsewhere I haven't mentioned, they are all the same!
This is an ugly situation, it has been ugly since before we were all born, and might remain ugly till after we all die... But in the meantime, if we wana share ideas in a international public forum I suggest we do it in a respectable way, especially when it comes to such a sensitive issue.Comment
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This war is turning into a human massacre, soooo damn ugly....
I just would ask 1 question only to the IDF:
Taking in considering ALL the logics of war and battle, EVERYTHING!
Why in hell would the IDF target UNRWA (UN post) where ONLY women and children (no weapons there, nothing!), that have no other safe place to go to, have found refuge from the bombs.
Why in hell would the Israeli army commit such a massacre killing 50 women and children in just few minutes? This is no mistake, it was intentional.
So many many numbers are being broadcasted, too ugly to post them all but its really BAD!
All hospitals combined in Gaza can accommodate only 1200 people, the number of injured now is close to 2500. No food, no water, no medicine..NOTHING!
1.5 Million imprisoned in this huge prison called Gaza and simply being massacred!
Analysts and references that usually sympathize with the Israeli cause are all saying that Israel is now adding a black spot on its human right records!
Just a note:
Israel keeps on violating the Lebanese airspace on a DAILY basis, it is a form of aggression against the Lebanese sovereignty. Today they did it again, and it is a provocation.Comment
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When UNRWA permit their premises and equipment to be used as launch sites for Hamas's genocidal activities against Israel. . . . .
Fuck it Shiva, i'm done explaining - its about time ALL the Arab nations who are sitting on the side lines hoping that Hamas and their Iranian sponsors get a good seeing too by Israel actually got of the fucking fence,
UNRWA continues to allow Hamas to hide amongst its infrastructure.
When you allow UNRWA premises to be used as launch sites dont start complaining when they are fucking hit.Comment
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Oh of course not - like UN ambulances have never been used to ferry terrorists around in the hope that Israel doesn't hit them?
Seriously Shiva, I really thought better of you - would you like me to re-produce all the material showing how in both Lebanon and Gaza the UN has enabled both Hizbollah and Hamas?
How about in your own country, where the UN and international forces have turned a blind eye to Hizbollah re-arming themselves?Comment
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Well David, If you thought better of me and now you changed ur mind coz I am opposing a massacre of innocent human lives, then it is up to you... As far as I am concern, I am not mad at you or think better/worse about you as David, its not personal here...
Although I believe that every people has the right to exist and live in peace and security, I do not approve of massacres in any form.
In this thread, I hope I am dealing with moderate Dave and not an extremist Dave....this will show later on in the discussion.
Now concerning the disarmament of Hizballah:
Let me tell you this bluntly: Hisballah is an EFFECT, and the CAUSE is the occupation of Lebanese territories by Israel.
Again, every people or nation is ENTITLED to defend itself against occupation, as long as 1 cm of the territory is occupied by any foreign army, any country would use any form of resistance it has in order to free itself! Lebanese resistance, in many forms, fought the Syrian occupation, as well as Israeli occupation!
Now Syria is out, but Israel is still in! Both countries should back off and leave Lebanon ALONE!
Israel would eliminate the reason of hizballah to exist, as a military force, the SECOND Israel withdraws from the Lebanese lands it occupies. Hizballah is not the IRA.
Well now that you ask me personally, I am gona answer to you:
Yes, I believe Hizballah should be disarmed, BUT WITHIN AN INTER-LEBANESE NATIONAL CONSCENT in order to free Lebanon from weapons and make it a pacific country, and ONLY!
But in NO CASE, an occupier can ask for a resistance to be disarmed. So in this case, as long as the IDF occupies Lebanese lands it cannot expect ANYONE from disarming its resistance. And this is simply why the UN, the Europeans AND the US cannot disarm the local resistance:
SELF-DEFENSE UNDER OCCUPATION IS A GIVEN & UNIVERSAL RIGHTComment
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Now my turn to ask you a question:
How about the natural resources Israel has been stealing from Lebanon since decades now, such as the precious water, by diverting Lebanese rivers towards Israel?
Lebanon has PLENTY of water, it is the only country in the middle east to has snow, and we both know how important it is within the middle eastern context.
Water created wars in the region: it can help economies like it can destroy them.
And Israel has been stealing it since years now and it still doing it, as per "normal thing" so to speak.... Israel should pay it for water if it wants some, just like Europe pays the natural gaz it imports from Russia, instead of invading countries and stealing their natural resources!
No Dave, I am sorry, I say what is right even if that disappoints you!
Yes the Israeli cause (security & peace, reason to exist etc etc..) and all that, I agree...
but hey when it is too much, it is too much!Comment
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