Ammunition Accountability Legislation

[Localizer]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

In the vast majority of situations, the vast majority of us already are completely reliant on the police. We don't live in a Hollywood movie, and most people don't want to shoot it out with criminals, say, in a bank robbery or during a street mugging.

No one is asking to be a cowboy or to glorify guns in the way that hollywood does, so i don't know where you lot keep deriving these conclusions from. No one is asking for shootouts with criminals either; people are asking that you don't tread on them and that they be able to have their rights respected by being able to protect themselves.

[Garrick]

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our government is going to keep looking for ways to get one more foot inside our door. this is just the beginning.

and as far as hunters keeping track of their ammo. i think that is absurd. i don't think people need to be responsible to track every round they fire while hunting, etc only so the government knows where every bullet is and every bullet that has been used. some people still have a hard time balancing their checkbooks!

[Miroslav]

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^^ but if you're just shooting deer (with a permit)...then why do you care if your bullets are micro-serialized or whatever? It should really only matter if you hold up a convenience store or shoot someone in the head.

the government is already fully inside the door and they can already find you anywhere, anytime. That's what happens when you live in a modern society.

[Garrick]

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you care because 1) you're being taxed again and 2) (this is contingent that the gov't expects you to do this) who wants to keep track of every round you fire? like i said, some people can't even balance their checkbooks.

the government is already fully inside the door and they can already find you anywhere, anytime.

then why track bullets? (being a smartass)

[Miroslav]

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you care because 1) you're being taxed again and 2) (this is contingent that the gov't expects you to do this) who wants to keep track of every round you fire? like i said, some people can't even balance their checkbooks.

look, maybe I'm misinformed about this (correct me if I'm wrong), but it seems to me that you really don't understand how this legislation is supposed to work. And as a rule, the credibility of your argument is greatly enhanced if you understand what you're arguing against.

The way it works is that there is a laser-etched micro-serial on every bullet that is connected to you when you buy the ammo. If that bullet winds up in someone's brain, then they will go back to that database and find your name and likely come back to you and treat you as a suspect in that crime.

then why track bullets? (being a smartass)

In the event that your bullet winds up in somebody's head or in the walls of a convenience store, I guess.

But again, I doubt this will do all that much for crime. So I guess I could take it or leave it. I understand that the right to bear arms is in the Second Amendment, and I'm not proposing to take it away from anyone. I just don't see how this takes away that right.

[Garrick]

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look, maybe I'm misinformed about how this legislation works (correct me if I'm wrong) but it seems to me that you really don't know how this legislation is supposed to even work. It might enhance the credibility of your argument if you did. What, you're thinking that every time you fire your gun you have to whip out a notepad and write all the details down? The way it works is that there is a laser-etched micro-serial on every bullet that is connected to you when you buy the ammo. If that bullet winds up in someone's brain, then they will likely come back to you and treat you as a suspect in the crime.

actually that was what i was thinking... "i just shot me a deer with #4132-EZ-584. you get that?" lol. i mentioned above i don't even own a gun so this really doesn't affect me, therefore haven't read into the details. the only reason i think its a big issue is because i think it is another step towards big government creating more problems than fixing.

[Miroslav]

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^^ ok. sorry for sounding a bit too much like an ass, btw. I revised my comments, but a bit too late.

[Garrick]

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no worries. politics forum flourishes with opinions!

[runningman]

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ya and here is mine

you guys are so fucked up on here. Criminals will ALWAYS have guns. But will you when the shit hits the fan??? Laser engraved serial numbers is the stupidest idea ever. Hell in Canada you aren't even allowed to have guns and all the bad guys have them. You think some serial number is going to stop them??

With the economy going in the shit tank at an alarming rate a gun is the only way to go. I wish the rest of you that want your guns taken away good luck.

[Miroslav]

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ya and here is mine

you guys are so fucked up on here. Criminals will ALWAYS have guns. But will you when the shit hits the fan??? Laser engraved serial numbers is the stupidest idea ever. Hell in Canada you aren't even allowed to have guns and all the bad guys have them. You think some serial number is going to stop them??

With the economy going in the shit tank at an alarming rate a gun is the only way to go. I wish the rest of you that want your guns taken away good luck.

well, good morning to you too, sunshine.

[runningman]

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I couldn't help myself after I read a couple posts. I wish the British took all your guns and then fought Washington.

http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65976&page=2

[Miroslav]

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^^ look, this is the whole ridiculousness of the "guns against crime" argument. So let's say that someone jumps you and gets right in your face with a knife to your throat (or a gun to your face). And let's say you have a gun in your pocket. Are you going to be a hero and try to pull a fast one? You know, karate kick the guy in the shins and whip out your gun and drop him, just like in the movies?

If you're a US Marine, an experienced gang member, a black belt ninja, or Superman, then maybe you will. But if you're like 99% of the rest of the normal population, the answer is NO; you're not going to do ANYTHING. You're going to hand over your shit and not make any sudden moves, because if you do then the dude will only have to move his hand just a bit and you will very likely end up with either a bullet in the nostril or a knife in your throat. Most of us don't want to bet our lives on our combat skills for the sake of our wallets.

This is not Hollywood, and very few of us are Jackie Chan.

[runningman]

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wow you are so lost on this one. If you have a gun and he has a knife you get to walk away with your wallet and sanity. Getting robbed fucks with your mind and makes you start thinking about the fucked up people in the world.

Let me explain it to you. First you run away a bit to get your gun out and then you pull it out. Situation diffused.

If he has a gun and already has it out there is nothing you can do about that but it is rare they will pull out there gun because they don't want to draw attention. If he comes up and shows his gun which is what they normally do that will give you time to pull out yours.

Someone with a knife attempted to rob me a few months back and the only thing he got out of me was a broken jaw. Now does that make me Superman Mr. Melodramatic?? I punched him so hard in the jaw he went down like a sack of potatoes. This just goes to show how you "REALLY" don't know what you are talking about 90% of the time.

[Miroslav]

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wow you are so lost on this one. If you have a gun and he has a knife you get to walk away with your wallet and sanity. Getting robbed fucks with your mind and makes you start thinking about the fucked up people in the world.

Let me explain it to you. First you run away a bit to get your gun out and then you pull it out. Situation diffused.

If he has a gun and already has it out there is nothing you can do about that but it is rare they will pull out there gun because they don't want to draw attention. If he comes up and shows his gun which is what they normally do that will give you time to pull out yours.

Someone with a knife attempted to rob me a few months back and the only thing he got out of me was a broken jaw. Now does that make me Superman Mr. Melodramatic?? I punched him so hard in the jaw he went down like a sack of potatoes. This just goes to show how you "REALLY" don't know what you are talking about 90% of the time.

of course you're a modern-day Clint Eastwood tough guy who can easily handle life-threatening situations, and that logically makes me wrong 90% of the time. I should have known!

[Shpira]

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lol...this is one of those threads hehe