Ammunition Accountability Legislation

[phuck'm-up]

Ammunition Accountability Legislation

Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns?
Well, it seems that his allies in the anti-gun world have no
problem with taking your ammo!

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and
Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture
a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you
buy and what calibers.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm


Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the
ammunition is coded.

Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1,
2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a ..05
cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at
least $2.50 or more!

If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!

All eyes are diverted on talk radio topics, bailouts, television
entertainments/news/propaganda, while state level legislatures are
placing the second amendment into a grave.

This legislation is currently IN COMMITTEE in 18 states: Alabama,
Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana,
Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York,
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and
Washington.

Send to every person in these united states!

To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this
legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to:

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm


"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep
and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against
tyranny in Government." - Thomas Jefferson

[Steve Graham]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

so whats the problem?

[phuck'm-up]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

so whats the problem?

No problem. It seems as though once the door is opened they begin to slowly chisel away at our 2nd amendment rights.

Are the criminals going to code there ammo?

Just seems fishy, that's all.

[Garrick]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

i guess the right to bear arms doesn't include ammo? i don't even own a gun and i think abolishing the second amendment is fucking retarded.

[phuck'm-up]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

i guess the right to bear arms doesn't include ammo? i don't even own a gun and i think abolishing the second amendment is fucking retarded.

thank you!

[DIDI]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

Ammunition Accountability Legislation

Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns?
Well, it seems that his allies in the anti-gun world have no
problem with taking your ammo!

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and
Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture
a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you
buy and what calibers.

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm


Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the
ammunition is coded.

Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1,
2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a ..05
cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at
least $2.50 or more!

If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!

All eyes are diverted on talk radio topics, bailouts, television
entertainments/news/propaganda, while state level legislatures are
placing the second amendment into a grave.

This legislation is currently IN COMMITTEE in 18 states: Alabama,
Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana,
Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York,
Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and
Washington.

Send to every person in these united states!

To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this
legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to:

http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm


"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep
and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against
tyranny in Government." - Thomas Jefferson

What a good idea Btw are you promoting a rebellion there

Seriously this is a way to sort out the good guys from the bad guys without removing your rights!I would have thought it would be something all responsible gun owners would support.

[Garrick]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

this MAY be a solution didi, but there are lots of unanswered questions or potential problems.... what criminal is going to buy bar-coded ammo and use it in a robbery? criminals will start making their own ammo or obtaining it illegally (i.e. stealing, black market, going international to get their ammo and smuggle it in, etc)... also... what happens when the responsible citizen's ammo is stolen, goes missing, etc and somebody uses it for something illegal? what happens to the person who bought the ammo? do they get charged with anything?

i don't see how bar-coding a bullet is going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things until i know the real details. personally, this just sounds like another excuse to tax the law-abiders.

[phuck'm-up]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

this MAY be a solution didi, but there are lots of unanswered questions or potential problems.... what criminal is going to buy bar-coded ammo and use it in a robbery? criminals will start making their own ammo or obtaining it illegally (i.e. stealing, black market, going international to get their ammo and smuggle it in, etc)... also... what happens when the responsible citizen's ammo is stolen, goes missing, etc and somebody uses it for something illegal? what happens to the person who bought the ammo? do they get charged with anything?

i don't see how bar-coding a bullet is going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things until i know the real details. personally, this just sounds like another excuse to tax the law-abiders.

thank you!!

[Cj Tari]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

this MAY be a solution didi, but there are lots of unanswered questions or potential problems.... what criminal is going to buy bar-coded ammo and use it in a robbery? criminals will start making their own ammo or obtaining it illegally (i.e. stealing, black market, going international to get their ammo and smuggle it in, etc)... also... what happens when the responsible citizen's ammo is stolen, goes missing, etc and somebody uses it for something illegal? what happens to the person who bought the ammo? do they get charged with anything?

i don't see how bar-coding a bullet is going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things until i know the real details. personally, this just sounds like another excuse to tax the law-abiders.

how about when your ammo gets stolen you report it to the cops, it would be basically the same if they stole your gun from your house. I would assume that every time you buy ammo it would have a different code on it.

I think this is a step, once we control our own ammo and guns, then law enforcement can concentrate on fighting illegal guns and ammo.

[thesightless]

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personally, since you cant remove an ammendment, im all for this.

but im more for banning all handgun sales in every manner. only thing that should be publicly available are non automatic extremly large rifles.

[DIDI]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

this MAY be a solution didi, but there are lots of unanswered questions or potential problems.... what criminal is going to buy bar-coded ammo and use it in a robbery? criminals will start making their own ammo or obtaining it illegally (i.e. stealing, black market, going international to get their ammo and smuggle it in, etc)...

Had a good think about this You are assuming that most criminals are smart . The vast majority are not! Just look at your prisons. There will obviously always be some who will be able to beat the system, but it would be harder.

also... what happens when the responsible citizen's ammo is stolen, goes missing, etc and somebody uses it for something illegal? what happens to the person who bought the ammo? do they get charged with anything?

This one is easier, look after it properly and report to police.

i don't see how bar-coding a bullet is going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things until i know the real details. personally, this just sounds like another excuse to tax the law-abiders.

On balance and without knowing all the details it still looks like a good is idea to me.

[Miroslav]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

I dunno... I don't care that much about this, because I don't have a gun. I really feel no need to own it. I don't get off on shooting deer, I'm not sitting around like the Michigan Militia waiting for the second Civil War to break out. And if someone puts a gun in my face on the street and demands my wallet...I'm giving them the damn wallet, not try to draw a gun and pull a Clint Eastwood.

That said, yeah it wouldn't surprise me if this ends up not being very effective in controlling crime.

One more thing, though: You already have to have a social security number to get social benefits. You already use credit cards and buy stuff online. You already have to buy a license plate, registration, and insurance for your car. You already have to register your property and pay taxes. You already have to register to vote. You already have to submit to a background check for most employment opportunities. You are already thoroughly "trackable" by the government and many other private entities.

[Shpira]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

not a bad idea IMO...Although I don't see why a change in law about ammo warrants any tax increase by the government? As for your concerns...
"what happens when the responsible citizen's ammo is stolen, goes missing, etc and somebody uses it for something illegal?"

I imagine if you report it nothing...although again a citizen who bought the ammo should go out of his way to protect it form being stolen if not he/she should be held responsible.

I also think that in the long run this COULD have an impact on crime as its more difficult for the criminals to illegally import ammo or make it than it is for them to buy it now...so they will just revert to bows and arrows...oh and stabbings will go up; who knows we might have sword fights that be a nice change from the "spray and pray" tactics of today.

[Localizer]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

^ We can't even curb the influx of drugs, how do you think we're going to stop the movement of illegal ammo? I mean, you can still buy illegal arms in the US. How do you think bad guys get guns without having to go through background checks?

By coding ammo, the bad guys are forced to move underground which means more tax payer dollars have to be diverted to set up new units to combat illegal ammo being brought into the country.

This will not stop crime; it'll only let it flourish. At the same time, with tax increases on ammo, people will be buying less ammo and thus the state will be putting a strain on gun manufacturers. Soon thereafter, the wish of the pansy asses will come true and guns will once again be only accessible to illegal firearm owners and the general, law-abiding public will have to suffer at the mercy of criminals and be completely reliant on the police, who will probably have even more corruption at the higher levels.

[Miroslav]

Re: Ammunition Accountability Legislation

Soon thereafter, the wish of the pansy asses will come true and guns will once again be only accessible to illegal firearm owners and the general, law-abiding public will have to suffer at the mercy of criminals and be completely reliant on the police, who will probably have even more corruption at the higher levels.

In the vast majority of situations, the vast majority of us already are completely reliant on the police. We don't live in a Hollywood movie, and most people don't want to shoot it out with criminals, say, in a bank robbery or during a street mugging.