The Obama Deception (New Documentary)

[CactusBeats]

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^well I'll be damned you know who that sounds a lot like?

Not sure.
Who is it I agree with?

[floridaorange]

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^haha, poor wording on my part, what I meant was that your description of a conspiracy theorist describes the breadth and depth of rm's posts quiet often. That doesn't mean I don't think he's smart btw. I know a couple very intelligent conspiracy theorists...they are always right about a few things (emphasize few), but more often than not they are just paranoid imo.

Makes for interesting threads, I'll give'm that.

[chunky]

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So was the list of names of Obama's cabinet made up them. Or are they not from Wall Street?

[CactusBeats]

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they are always right about a few things (emphasize few), but more often than not they are just paranoid imo.

Makes for interesting threads, I'll give'm that.

In some cases yes, I agree.

Now it's time to get


But on the other hand, on some of the less intelligent conspiracy theories it sounds to me like they could fill in for or just do a segment for Lou Dobbs Tonight.
"Lou Dobbs is looking out for you"
CNN Commercial
F*ck that. Lou Dobbs is just looking out for himself.

His stories practically do the same thing as my description above. I really can't believe how bad that guy's newscast is. Badmouth the heck out of the government (that's real difficult Lou - NOT), show a conspiracy theory or three, nevermind if you get any of the facts straight or not. In fact, go right ahead and contradict your field reporter AT LEAST once per show for good measure just to show you really weren't listening to them anyway. Finally, play to the bottom rung of intelligence on both the left and the right and cater to the redneck dirtbags who need to hear that everyone & everything is stacked against them for at least one good hour a day. Sprinkle that with some self-congratulatory Dobbs ego trip b*llsh*t and a cheap pass at one of his good-looking young female field reporters and you have the worst one hour news report on cable this side of Bill O'Reilly.


Forgot to add that you need to use the blurry camera lens for this show also because the flea bag host has so much make-up on that his face might actually show weed growth by the end of the hour if you didn't use it.

Guess I'll come up for air now..
Whew !!

[Shpira]

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I think this is Shpira's point in the thread about $10 trillion and counting. You guys are agreeing again and you don't even see it.

Well as I said before a lot of the shit rm talks about I agree with I just don't see it as a conspiracy to take over the world. Population control means more money...by population control I mean the society we live in i.e. the news, advertising, fashion etc. Its all there to make money and its naive to believe that all those things are completely independent and without some kind of a design that would perpetuate the system itself and allow those with money to make even more money. e.g. the media is one of the pillars that support the government and the elites. They are guardians giving us a sense of balance so that we feel secure thinking there are checks and balances when in reality 5 corporations control more than 80% of global media. (I am actually writing my disertation on the influence of the media on US politcs now.)

Thats why I constantly try and establish what it is that has Runningman convinced in all these far out things...like a world government one currency etc. I don't think there is a secret society or shit like that. Its just a convergence of interest i.e. if you have lots of money and I have lots of money we have simmilar interests and vice versa if we had no money. However the problem is that IMO society has been divided with stupid, essentaly trivial issues such as religion, gender, race and sexual orientation to keep it in a state of conflict so that people do not realise that they are cogs in a big machine which is geared so that the elites can make huge amounts of money while we sit on our asses and talk about what Paris Hilton said about House music....

You guys can think what you will...I don't try and impose my oppinion on anyone and I don't think I am a conspiricy theorists...the things I talk about thave been well documented and formed the basis of Marxist political theory i.e. the class system.
On the other hand I don't belive in Communism and Socialist systems not because they are inherently evil or what not but because ppl have been influenced by capitalism and advertising to such an extent that material goods is what 99% of the population care about....what they seem to have forgoten is that knowlidge is ultimatly the biggest reward on in itself and money is simply a tool for obtaining more knowlidge and freedom. So why should I waste my time and energy trying to get people i don't really care about to see my point of view? (btw talking in general not about ppl on this board)

[Shpira]

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p.s. conspiracy theorists are part of the problem not part of the solution IMO

[CactusBeats]

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^agreed 200%

[floridaorange]

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However the problem is that IMO society has been divided with stupid, essentaly trivial issues such as religion, gender, race and sexual orientation to keep it in a state of conflict so that people do not realise

....what they seem to have forgoten is that knowlidge is ultimatly the biggest reward on in itself and money is simply a tool for obtaining more knowlidge and freedom. So why should I waste my time and energy trying to get people i don't really care about to see my point of view? (btw talking in general not about ppl on this board)

Yep to both of the parts I left out above as well. I also agree with these two paragraphs. One of the things I appreciated so much about san diego was that people seemed to work together and were not afraid of anything. Communication was rewarded and encouraged among everyone, and people didn't care about the trivial sh*t as much. Smaller cities are 10 years behind the bigger western cities in our country in terms of social interaction and culture which makes things more complicated than they need to be frankly. Differences are what make America great and what make America good at solving problems. But if you have never traveled or lived somewhere different you wouldn't know any better...which I see leads to a path of conspiracy theories and close minded ignorance...which btw makes perfect sense when you live in a backward ass town where maybe 1,000 or 10,000 people hold all the power. Oh btw and they all look, talk, act exactly alike, of course those lower down on the food chain are going to have preconceived conspiracy theories about those few individuals.

How long is your dissertation going to be when it is finished? I would def like to read it if you are cool with that.

[chunky]

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p.s. conspiracy theorists are part of the problem not part of the solution IMO

But surely answering their questions would help solve some of the problem. The Plane that went into the Pentagon for example. Show them the footage they are asking for, for the last eight years. Surley its not that difficult. Some of you lot seem to like patting each other on the back and passing these people off as a joke but your still not answering the questions. Can you honestly say that the 9/11 commission was not a joke. from start to finish. and if that's an example of what makes America good at solving problems, I'm not impressed.

[Shpira]

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The dissertation is gonna be around 10-12k words....

What I mean by conspiracy theorists being part of the problem is that they make questioning the system sound insane and that they themselves are there at least to some small part to act as "guardians". If you think about it they filter out all those that question things and label them as their own which ultimately discredits people with valuable opinions.An example of this would be Chomsky...his work is truly magnificent meticulously referenced and investigated but if you go on Amazon and read the shit ppl say who haven't even read the work it becomes clear what I meant. An extreme argument could be also made that people think that they are making a change by watching a film or two and they feel better about themselves...then they come and preach about how shit everything is but they don't actually do anything constructive....just like the media.
No doubt there are important questions being asked in some of the videos but they are questions that should be asked without being related to any particular conspiracy theory. Questions that deserve answers in their own right if you know what I mean?

Like 9/11 for example should not be related to Iraq or anything else...it should be related to ppl that died and to the events that happened on that day. Its unclear what happened, how it happened and why it happend so those things should be clarified...i am not sure if you guys will get what i mean?

[floridaorange]

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For me personally, I give credit where I believe credit is due and have no problem arguing if I think I understand the subject matter at hand differently and can speak intelligently to some extent on that subject...I am the first one to STFU if I do not think I can add legitimate value to the conversation, I am very comfortable observing and learning. Shpira brings a unique vantage point to the table as do others, but because he is literally in univ studying this stuff, he's able to speak very elequintly and accurately where others (including myself) use layman terms. Everyone is entitled to be wrong, but their insight (in appropriate doses) is still valuable.

And I do believe that a society that is polarized and homogenous leads to problems solving societal issues. Different cultures and different people working together is priceless in terms of creative synergy and problem solving. But put a group of people together that are all fundamentally the same and well...you get the idea.

the devil is almost always in the details by the way...

[floridaorange]

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to obfuscate [the issue] - to make obscure; to be evasive, unclear, or confusing

That is the point of these conspiracy theorist documentaries; give out an overwhelming amount of fact, partial fact, warped fact (warped to the point of misleading fact), link together with unrelated other fact, partial fact, warped fact and create the illusion of a connection between them. Repeat this process (over & over) until full desired effect is achieved. Allow the viewer to believe that the creator of the documentary is looking out for them while the subjects of the documentary are against the viewer. Play scary music while talking about the subject(s) like the subject(s) are out to get the viewer. Finally, congratulate the viewer on his/her superior intelligence for being above the fray and taking time out to watch this complete nonsense.

LOL, you definitely hit the nail on the head CB ...exactly right and on regarding "Core of Corruption: In The Shadows" ... at least the first 10 minutes is how you have described it would. (Pretty solid considering you posted this before the movie was posted, but they really are all the same).

[chunky]

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Play scary music while talking about the subject(s) like the subject(s) are out to get the viewer. Finally, congratulate the viewer on his/her superior intelligence for being above the fray and taking time out to watch this complete nonsense.

Playing "scary music" is fairly common in any type of Film, Documentary or TV Programme. That DJ Shadow, Mutual Slump appeared on everything from Documentaries about Cot Death, Torture in Iraq even X factor. Its not just Conspiracy Movies.

You keep spouting off but when it comes to specifics you dont reply. Do you not find it strange how the US Government have failed to show any photographic evidence of a plane crashing into The Pentagon on 9/11 ?

[toasty]

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You keep spouting off but when it comes to specifics you dont reply. Do you not find it strange how the US Government have failed to show any photographic evidence of a plane crashing into The Pentagon on 9/11 ?

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

[chunky]

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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

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No Aircraft flying into the Pentagon in them photos. Is that the best you could come up with.