Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

[runningman]

Here we go.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.9776268a25e75ad5b44b4d87e8a32a02.4a1&show_article=1

Smoke Signal

[Miroslav]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

I guess the want to put pressure on America and Europe to do things their way in Europe with respect to which nations join the EU...you know, not to bug them when they slap their small neighbors around. Either that, or Russia thinks that another Cuban missile crisis would be funny.

[runningman]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

they could be testing Obama

US sending ships to south china sea as well.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5898650.ece

If China doesn't trust US treasuries anymore they could be the ones behind all of this.

[Shpira]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

I really don't see a problem with any of this...we all know that all the nations have all these weapons but when they are mentioned in the news we all get upset?
The US has bases all over the world has planes, boats, submarines etc paroling the whole world but when the Russkies move it must be hostile?
I would be far worried about their actions in the middle east and in ex soviet republics than near the US border...remember that if anyone should feel threatened its them...they are the ones fighting against the NWO


edit: Let me read the second article...
Its not so bad...I mean this kinda shit has happened before...IMHO you are just putting it together when they are pretty much completely disconnected.

[Miroslav]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

I really don't see a problem with any of this...we all know that all the nations have all these weapons but when they are mentioned in the news we all get upset?
The US has bases all over the world has planes, boats, submarines etc paroling the whole world but when the Russkies move it must be hostile?
I would be far worried about their actions in the middle east and in ex soviet republics than near the US border...remember that if anyone should feel threatened its them...they are the ones fighting against the NWO


edit: Let me read the second article...
Its not so bad...I mean this kinda shit has happened before...IMHO you are just putting it together when they are pretty much completely disconnected.

All the major powers have global reach with their military, but setting up military bases right on their borders is a provocative step that is likely to provoke a strong reaction.

And this report is actually highly connected with what's going on in Europe. Remember Russia's recent anger at the US-sponsored Missile Defense Shield in Europe? The way that Poland and the Czech Republic agreed to have radar systems and missiles installed on their territory? And the support that the West is giving to the Ukraine, Georgia, and South Ossetia?

Those were all actions that the Russians consider the equivalent of developing military installation on or close to their borders, and they don't like it. And what they're saying is, "Fine. If you do that to us in Europe, we'll do something similar to you here in your hemisphere and see how you like it." It provides for good negotiation leverage.

[Shpira]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

The Missile Shield in Europe is not gonna be built...as for south Osetia thats gone the Russians have started building bases and the US didn't do much...Ukraine is already on a tight leash from Moscow...
I don't know I think these are all challenges to US dominance and I see them as a natural thing...I mean the US will not stay the only super power forever...

p.s. peaceful co-existence dominated by one nation is not peaceful co-existence there needs to be more dialogue about international issues and less unilateralism... the Russians feel that they are uprightly ignored for all global issues and are showing that they too can flex military might like the US has been doing for the past 10-15 years and more intensively in GWB era...I mean we can debate this for ever all that I am saying is that these actions are natural and shouldn't be seen as hostile. The US has bases all around Russia; Turkey, Japan...ex soviet republics and Europe...

[runningman]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

they are hostile. They aren't having bombers come over from russia full of ice cream and cake. It is a threat. Basically you are saying the Cuban missile crisis never happened or wasn't really that bad. Remember the Union between Russia, Iran, North Korea, China and Venezuela. This is a MAJOR step toward world war. Remember what Soros said about the nations fighting the new order. Funny they all seem to be banning together.

Putin also wiped his ass with Obama's plan to help agianst Iran.

Also eveything is connected.

[Miroslav]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

I mean we can debate this for ever all that I am saying is that these actions are natural and shouldn't be seen as hostile. The US has bases all around Russia; Turkey, Japan...ex soviet republics and Europe...

Obviously they are hostile. And Chavez hates the US with a passion.

And those bases mainly came into existence precisely in response to wide-scale Russian aggression after World War II. The US has unfortunately been aggressive as well in the post-war period, but not anything close to the scale of the Soviets under Stalin and his successors.

[Shpira]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

no this is different from the missile crisis...I am not saying its nothing but its not as serious as you are making it to be and no I don't see the two stories as connected, if china wanted to fuck the US they would just sell all US bonds and US currency and shred the US economy into bits.

[Shpira]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

And those bases mainly came into existence precisely in response to wide-scale Russian aggression after World War II. The US has unfortunately been aggressive as well, but not anything close to the scale of the Soviets under Stalin and his successors.

I disagree.


Why does Chavez hate the US again?

[Miroslav]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

I disagree.

For the record:

14 nations forcefully incorporated into the Soviet Union: Georgia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kirghistan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan.

Another 7 nations militarily occupied and forced into cooperation as satellite states of the Soviet Union after World War II: Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, and East Germany.

That's 21 in total.

Look, I know that the US has its own skeletons in the closet - Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. And I know that it's a very popular intellectual sport to diss the US for, well, basically everything. But I just don't see the US list of aggression as being this bad in terms of number, length of occupation, or levels of government-directed brutality. I guess I feel a bit strongly about this because I and my family have personally been on the receiving end of Soviet-sponsored oppression.

Why does Chavez hate the US again?

Yeah, because the US hates him and badgers Venezuela. Some claim Bush backed a coup against him. My point wasn't that the US actions towards Venezuela were good, but that the Russians teaming up with him is a hostile move.

[runningman]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

First I dont' want you to feel like we are ganging up on you but:

do you realize that Russia has the "Satan" missile which could realistically wipe out your entire West coast. It is a big deal because of these reasons. All it takes is one missile to wipe out your entire coast. I think that is serious.

http://www.russianspy.org/2006/12/21/russia-successfully-tests-satan-missile/

Chavez hates the US becasue the US has tries to kill numerous times because Venezuela has boat loads of oil,. Ever heard of Citgo?? that is Chavez. The queen of the Netherlands (Shell) doesn't like that very much. You see the US went to Iraq and now Shell has the oil.

[Miroslav]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

First I dont' want you to feel like we are ganging up on you but:

do you realize that Russia has the "Satan" missile which could realistically wipe out your entire West coast. It is a big deal because of these reasons. All it takes is one missile to wipe out your entire coast. I think that is serious.

No worries. But yes, of course it is serious. The US has similar weapons of mass destruction, as do a bunch of other nations. If unrestrained nuclear war were ever to break out, then humanity runs a real risk of going the way of the dinosaur.

[Shpira]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

For the record:

14 nations forcefully incorporated into the Soviet Union: Georgia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kirghistan, Moldova, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan.

Another 7 nations militarily occupied and forced into cooperation as satellite states of the Soviet Union after World War II: Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, and East Germany.

That's 21 in total.

Look, I know that the US has its own skeletons in the closet - Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. And I know that it's a very popular intellectual sport to diss the US for, well, basically everything. But I just don't see the US list of aggression as being this bad in terms of number, length of occupation, or levels of government-directed brutality. I guess I feel a bit strongly about this because I and my family have personally been on the receiving end of Soviet-sponsored oppression.

Yeah, because the US hates him and badgers Venezuela. Some claim Bush backed a coup against him. My point wasn't that the US actions towards Venezuela were good, but that the Russians teaming up with him is a hostile move.

Yeah the difference is that all the things the US did and continues to do is done in the name of democracy, good...etc.
There is a clear distinction between the USSR and Russia the same can not be said of the US. Its practically like saying that Germany is the same it was under Hitler...
In addition to this without trying to be insulting or patronizing...try reading a little about history of the USSR and its republics, its not all black and white as you imagine.

The fact of the matter is that when you look at shit on the basis of achievements Putin is probably the greatest statesmen of our time. Now don't get me wrong I don't support a lot of the shit he does, but there is no denying that he has brought Russia out of the stone age and everything he did benefited Russia....thats more than can be said about most politicians.

As for Venezuela...its not rumors its fact that the the CIA wanted him gone..the US is hostile towards his government so its only natural for him to respond.
If I was in US politics I would see it as a hostile move for sure...but objectively speaking the Russians are not "bad" and the Americans "good". They are just trying to improve their position in the global system.

I try and keep my personal feelings out of politics and be critical of every nation but to be honest I think the US has played its part and I want some other nation to have a chance of spreading its influence. Therefore I don't see any of this as particularly disturbing or shocking...i see it as natural.


p.s. I have to say that this

But I just don't see the US list of aggression as being this bad in terms of number, length of occupation, or levels of government-directed brutality

is a fundamental issue I disagree with you on.

The thing about the USSR is that it was a centrally planned entity so its easy to blame it all on the government but when the US chooses to make laws and propagate ideals which cause pain, death and suffering without being directly involved its JUST AS RESPONSIBLE. So whether its the WTO or NATO, whether its economic or military- when certain conditions are met there are clear results that can be expected i.e. economic ruin or a military conflict.

While the number of deaths in the USSR is a fact extensively researched I think establishing an approximate number of deaths caused by US economic and military foreign policy would be by far greater and harder to establish.

[Shpira]

Re: Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

p.p.s. as far as we are going back in time what about the Native Americans they got a hell of a deal from the US government.