Russia thinking of using Venezuela and Cuba as Airfields for Bombers

[ShawnD64]

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p.p.s. as far as we are going back in time what about the Native Americans they got a hell of a deal from the US government.

... funny side story (not trying to hijack) ... when in line at watergate in berlin, some german guy said he didnt like americans, so calmly i asked why. his two main points were iraq and what we did to the native americans. so, i said i am irish, my decendants werent the ones killing native americans, in fact the irish were treated like shit when they came over to america... then i followed with, its not really fair to be judged on a nations past now is it (HE WAS GERMAN!). unless its the same generation in power, its too hard to judge, germans are not what they were and same too with the british... hell almost every major power has done some fucked up shit!

anyways. it seems as if russia is getting frisky... they invaded Georgia, they leaned on Kyrgyzstan to close a major US base and now the whole cuba thing.... they are getting ready for something imo. but i am no historian by any means...

[Miroslav]

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In addition to this without trying to be insulting or patronizing...try reading a little about history of the USSR and its republics, its not all black and white as you imagine.

Thanks for that little tip! And no, you didn't at ALL sound insulting or patronizing there. You may be SHOCKED to learn that I did actually go to school and I have before put my nose in a book or two dealing with Eastern European history in my lifetime (I know, isn't it crazy!). Not to mention that I'm a native Slovak whose family was forced to flee home thanks to the Soviets and who grew up hearing a lot of first-hand accounts about how things were under Communism. But hey, it sounds like you have may have some interesting notions about the Soviets and about Putin so I'll not stand in your way...have fun with that...

Leaving our differences there aside... I trust you'll agree that if it's "natural" and "not hostile" for Russia to put missiles in Cuba in an effort to improve its position, then it will also be just as "natural" and "not hostile" when the US forcefully retaliates - possibly militarily - in an effort to improve its own position. I'm not going to argue with you that the US hasn't done bad stuff. Just don't expect the next "superpower" to be any "better" than the US; it could quite possibly be worse.

[runningman]

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The US will for sure do something to improve its position if the USSR goes through with this plan.

[Shpira]

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^^I don't think it will. . . its just a show of strength to prove that they can if they wish to do so...

@Miro
I only wanted to say that the position Russia and other republics of the USSR was many times worse (comparatively to the West) before the Communists took over and they practically solely won the second world war...whether or not they went about it the right way is not a thing I was commenting on. Sorry about your family heritage...I am not going to go into mine but I was born in a communist country...
As for the nest superpower...well we'll just have to wait and see. The way things are going I think we won't wait long.

[MJDub]

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...and they practically solely won the second world war

I 'd at that one.


Here's how I see the overall topic though:

Something else to consider is that Russia hasn't really been active with Cuba since the missile crisis because they knew that Castro was gonna be there for decades. Now however, with Obama perhaps considering lifting the embargo because of the weak "Castro" government, American cultural influence will easily be able to flow into Cuba, essentially ending communism there.

Russia sees this as a time to act and is probably doing a last-ditch effort to keep some semblance of influence in the western hemisphere. Venezuela is involved too because Castro and Chavez are pretty much fuck buddies, so Russia is using this relationship to stage bombers in Venezuela in case they have to take Cuba back by force. I think it would be incredibly dumb on their part if they instigated a war, especially over Cuba, but being dumb is pretty common in the geopolitical sphere, especially for Russia.

[Shpira]

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Take Cuba by force? are you on lsd like now? I laughed at the whole post^^

Do you really think a country like Russia would invade Cuba today? If you are being serious with the above post then you should seek some help...seriously. What possible interest can Russia have in Cuba today that would justify an invasion?

[MJDub]

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Take Cuba by force? are you on lsd like now? I laughed at the whole post^^

Do you really think a country like Russia would invade Cuba today? If you are being serious with the above post then you should seek some help...seriously. What possible interest can Russia have in Cuba today that would justify an invasion?

^ Fucker's crazy.

[Shpira]

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LOL...it might look otherwise, but the reality of Russian politics is very simmilar to US. There are many other influences on foreign policy than just Putin. As for him being crazy or not...I will not judge on that. So far Russia is doing pretty well for itself...but then so was Germany before ww2 so we'll see...
I think the success of a statesman should be judged on the basis of things he does for his country i.e. did he improve the position of his nation or not...on that criteria he's doing pretty well I have to say. In reality thats the only criteria that counts in Politics...and in foreign relations to an even bigger extent.

[CactusBeats]

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First I dont' want you to feel like we are ganging up on you but:

do you realize that Russia has the "Satan" missile which could realistically wipe out your entire West coast. It is a big deal because of these reasons. All it takes is one missile to wipe out your entire coast. I think that is serious.

http://www.russianspy.org/2006/12/21/russia-successfully-tests-satan-missile/

Chavez hates the US becasue the US has tries to kill numerous times because Venezuela has boat loads of oil,. Ever heard of Citgo?? that is Chavez. The queen of the Netherlands (Shell) doesn't like that very much. You see the US went to Iraq and now Shell has the oil.

Wouldn't make too much sense to wipe out the market (the U.S.) for the product that enriches you (Citgo -> oil), so I guess hitting the west coast of the US does make some sense since Citgo is primarily east coast & midwest. Still, they would have to figure out a way to keep the fallout from drifting east and eventually poisoning those who would buy Citgo's product.

Economic terrorism is far more effective these days than old-fashioned nukes or conventional war. I don't care what kind of new special delivery system you have. Nukes still poison the atmosphere for everyone. Heck, even with Chernobyl we could detect the fallout in the lower 48 within a week to 10 days. Fallout doesn't respect borders apparently. I would hope this is still common knowledge amongst even the most aggressive warmongers in Russian & Venezuelan leadership.

come on now...

[CactusBeats]

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All Obama needs to do is once again invoke the Monroe Doctrine (just like Kennedy did) as a basis for not tolerating Russian bases anywhere in the Western Hemisphere. Obama has any number of ways he can go about implementing this (threats, ultimatims, military action, suspension of treaties, diplomatic talks, etc.)

Putin has an ego the size of the entire Asian continent. This isn't new news either. IMHO the Russians see their meddling in Venezuela as payback for the US military exercises in Georgia (a former Soviet state on Russia's southern border). If anyone was provocative first it was the US under (surprise, surprise) G.W. Bush.

[Shpira]

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^^Yes...thank you at least someone I can agree with to some extent
Although I would suggest that the Monoroe Doctrine has somewhat lost relevance in recent years and if he tried to that the international community would just tell him to piss off....after all Venezuela is an independent country and can choose what it wants to do without the US.
As for the Russians seeing this as payback....yes thats to some extent true but its for more than just Georgia and its not really a payback its more a precaution. The Russkies are optimistic about Obama but they have had 8 years of Bush to put up with...hopefully the world is big enough fo Russians and Americans....


As for Putin having a big ego...thats true well to an extent but after Yeltsyin such a leader was necessary to restore national self confidnce.