Weapons of Mass Destruction found in Fallujah

[runningman]

^^ they don't even have plumbing there.. so why would they hold it something else.. these countries are 120 years behind us.. they only have weapons because russia and USA sold it to them.. they have found WMD's.. here is the proof.. and now its time to check out IRAN..

[viceroy]

Does it count as a WMD without a warhead?

only if you are an american democrat or french. :?

woah, pull your head out of your ass pal.

[neoee]

^^ they don't even have plumbing there.. so why would they hold it something else.. these countries are 120 years behind us.. they only have weapons because russia and USA sold it to them.. they have found WMD's.. here is the proof.. and now its time to check out IRAN..

Yeah real proof

According to one of the links provided by Yao:

But the unclassified October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate stated that Iraq ?has begun renewed production of ? sarin? and other chemical weapons, and estimated that Saddam Hussein had between 100 and 500 metric tons of chemical agents.

note the word TONS in the excerpt. Now if they found lets say a few tons of the shit at that time I'll say we were justified. So far you we have found a suitcase of something believed to be Sarin and your ready to invade countries? Umm couldn't this amount be made in someone's basement given the precursor chemicals?

Also I pulled this from a comment on /. Interesting to say the least:

Uhm, c'mon, the answer is blazingly obvious -- what country would have printed things in German and Russian, and produced gobs of chemical weapons? Why, East Germany. That tells you how old the stuff is -- probably a wee bit past its due date. And sure enough, it is. (See below.)
As for the translation, the German says "Handhabung: Siehe Anleitung", which means "Usage: See Directions". The second box is illegible ("Charge-Nr. 061081", where "Charge-Nr." means "batch number"; the number seems to be a German date, i.e. 6 October 1981). The third box says "Verwendungsf?hig bis: Okt. 1XXX", which means "Usable until October 1XXX". One can presume it has already expired, in other words, by at least five years.

[Yao]

Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction found in Fallujah

Neoee, where did you find that expiry date quote? I was actually looking for something like that too, when I checked out the links for some useful information.

Thanks for it anyway...proves there's a lot of publicity over a dead bird here. Even the quantity in vials is nowhere near the figures intelligence said Saddam would've posessed. It may really have been in his posession, but man...And I unfortunately couldn't find anything on the effectivity in practice from Sarin, because that is way less than theories tell us. Even VX is only a few percents effective when sprayed out in the air...although theoretically a few litres could kill millions of people. And VX is about 10 times or more lethal than Sarin.

Sorry guys, but one picture doesn't say it all to me. It just raises more questions, having all the lies and deceit of the past years in my mind.

[neoee]

Yao- the comment was taken from a discussion on www.slashdot.org and as much as I'd like to believe the statement regarding the expiry date to be fact, to be fair, I have to point out that it is only speculation and as the user comments "the number seems to be a German date, i.e. 6 October 1981".

Although this information appears to be reasonable sound I don't want to do as some *cough* runningman *cough* and make assumptions.

[brakada]

Re: Weapons of Mass Destruction found in Fallujah

The boxes have Cyrillic and German characters on them, indicating they may have come from our good friends the Russians or the Germans.

It's funny too, how robprunitz clearly overlooks the "American" characters: "SOMAN, SARIN, V-GASES; FOR WORKING INSTRUCTIONS REFER TO INSTRUCTIONS-LEAFLET"

Hmmm, now what language is that?

Regarding the mentioned expiry date the only visible thing is October 1..., but I would probably agree that this is dthe year, because IMO there's not enough space on there to write the day and the year...

[Yao]

I cannot see the film/pics until I've reinstallen Winblows XP...so I can't confirm all that is said here, dammit. Anyone able and willing to place an ordinary .jpeg link or image here for me?

[mixu]

The site's done in Flash so I can't get a link... but this is Getty's site.

Image # 51729489

U.S Marines Test Suspected Sarin Gas Viles In Falluja
11 Nov 2004
By: Marco Di Lauro

[Yao]

thnx bro...

[runningman]

^^ they don't even have plumbing there.. so why would they hold it something else.. these countries are 120 years behind us.. they only have weapons because russia and USA sold it to them.. they have found WMD's.. here is the proof.. and now its time to check out IRAN..

Yeah real proof

According to one of the links provided by Yao:

But the unclassified October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate stated that Iraq ?has begun renewed production of ? sarin? and other chemical weapons, and estimated that Saddam Hussein had between 100 and 500 metric tons of chemical agents.

note the word TONS in the excerpt. Now if they found lets say a few tons of the shit at that time I'll say we were justified. So far you we have found a suitcase of something believed to be Sarin and your ready to invade countries? Umm couldn't this amount be made in someone's basement given the precursor chemicals?

Also I pulled this from a comment on /. Interesting to say the least:

Uhm, c'mon, the answer is blazingly obvious -- what country would have printed things in German and Russian, and produced gobs of chemical weapons? Why, East Germany. That tells you how old the stuff is -- probably a wee bit past its due date. And sure enough, it is. (See below.)
As for the translation, the German says "Handhabung: Siehe Anleitung", which means "Usage: See Directions". The second box is illegible ("Charge-Nr. 061081", where "Charge-Nr." means "batch number"; the number seems to be a German date, i.e. 6 October 1981). The third box says "Verwendungsf?hig bis: Okt. 1XXX", which means "Usable until October 1XXX". One can presume it has already expired, in other words, by at least five years.

The only difference between a rut and a grave are the dimensions..because they found a small amount is proof no matter which way you guys want to spin it.. i don't have sarin at my house.. i don't even know how to begin to get sarin..

[Yao]

If I'd use the same reasoning as you do Runningman, I'd say:

"This amount of Sarin isn't even enough to get rid of the mice in my house."

The word tons is important, because the vast amount of WMD's Saddam was supposedly making were the primary reason to go into Iraq. Bush would've never even conviced a monkey to help him if he'd come up with the figure of 40 vials of Sarin as a reason to go to war.

[brakada]

The only difference between a rut and a grave are the dimensions..because they found a small amount is proof no matter which way you guys want to spin it.. i don't have sarin at my house.. i don't even know how to begin to get sarin..

It is NOT yet confirmed to be Sarin gas, it says SUSPECTED, or can't you read properly? And have you considered the argument, that it is quite possible that sarin in these vials might not be usable anymore? :?

[runningman]

all i'm saying is they have it.. and he gased his own people earlier so there must be more right?? i am not saying that is a lot but maybe they are moving it around now because they had to leave Fallujah. If they move it around more that will increase the USA's chance of catching them.. and i can read thank you.. How do you stop drug dealers?? start at the bottom and work your way up.. that is what the USA is doing right now but at least they are finding stuff. Either way these were people living here just days earlier chopping peoples heads off (Foresure) and possibly making sarin gas to kill more people.. I didn't exepct you two to take there side..

[brakada]

all i'm saying is they have it..

Yes, I understand what you are trying to say, but still can you give me a source that can confirm that there was really sarin in those vials? And don't you think that if the evil terrorists had weapons of mass destruction, that they would be already using it by now?

and he gased his own people earlier so there must be more right??

I must point out that I strongly disapprove Saddam using WMDs on Kurds, but you can go and ask how many Iraqis consider Kurds "their own people". Kurds have had problems with survival as long as they exist. And I believe American ally and friend Turkey has killed just as many Kurds as Saddam did. Which is a sad thing, but you don't hear a lot of diplomats saying: Look at Turkey, killing its own people," which is definitely wrong.

i am not saying that is a lot but maybe they are moving it around now because they had to leave Fallujah. If they move it around more that will increase the USA's chance of catching them..

Yes , big trucks of WMDs are rolling around Iraq every day. Unnoticed... Well, we'll see, won't we?

and i can read thank you..

Hmmmm... Yes. But do you understand what you read? :wink:

How do you stop drug dealers?? start at the bottom and work your way up.. that is what the USA is doing right now but at least they are finding stuff.

I don't see your connection with the way drug dealers are being stopped. I think it's just the other way round. The "top dealer", which I would say is IMO definitely Saddam, and he's been in captivity for quite a long time now.

Either way these were people living here just days earlier chopping peoples heads off (Foresure)

Although there is still a small matter of civilists, involved in the battle of Fallujah, this might be the point, on which I agree with you. I support the American attempts to destroy the insurgents, but on the other hand this is something that should be dealt with immediately after "the major military operations" were over, and in fact coallition troops should have never allowed terrorists to enter Iraq (most of them don't come from Iraq, but they came from the neighbouring countries) in the first place.

and possibly making sarin gas to kill more people..

This is bollocks. Does the word L - A - B - O - R - A - T - O - R - Y mean anything to you? Or can anyone make sarin gas; without the lab, withouth the chemicals.

I didn't exepct you two to take there side..

Whose side am I taking? Is your point that if the war is fought for a "good" cause, all mistakes should be forgiven? Like Yao, I support the war on terrorism (NOT YOUR HOLY CRUSADE AGAINST THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST). But I do not believe that fighting badly planned conventional wars is the right way. That's all.

[runningman]

I wasn't talking about them moving around in trucks like that stupid theory before.. but they needed to re locate, no?? They aren't there now but they were there once.. Yes smart ass.. i hope you made it that far with me.. Also how was this a badly planned war? took over an entire country in a year and only lost 1100 soldiers. That my friend is a succes in war terms. We will see won't we when the USA goes into Iran and shit starts to go down in North Korea.