Left Wing Liberal Extremists Could Cause Civil War

[runningman]

Re: Left Wing Liberal Extremists Could Cause Civil War

talking about Health care reform and turing into a fascist country are two completely different things. Socialism leads to communisn so to say that there is a continuum between all out capitalism and all out socialism is a scary statement. Quotes like that during the war could have put you in jail.

The two party system is really nothing more than a two headed monster. The agenda is set for a totalitarian form of government (You can call it totalitarian,Corporatism, Corporatocracy...etc). Now in a totalitarian government freedom and human rights are last on the agenda. Big business and numbers rule.

Also it kind of bothers me that you think that Obama is smarter then George Washington was. If Washington thought that "you know lets make it half socialist and half capitalist" HE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT. You can't get half pregnant. It is either one or the other.


PS- By "boogie man" when it comes socialism would you be reffering to the millions of lives lost during world war 2 fighting socialism?

[Miroslav]

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talking about Health care reform and turing into a fascist country are two completely different things. Socialism leads to communisn so to say that there is a continuum between all out capitalism and all out socialism is a scary statement. Quotes like that during the war could have put you in jail.

It's not scary; it's rational and intelligent. The extremes are what is scary. And whether or not people would be put in jail for saying it is not a good basis for discrediting something.

You seem shocked by this notion, but the fact is that we have never lived in all-out capitalism, not even back in George Washington's days. Economic and political systems are always a continuum; "all-out capitalism" only exists in abstract theory. If we lived in all-out capitalism, we probably wouldn't have the SEC, anti-trust regulation, the FDIC, child labor laws, or unions.

And just because George Washington said or did something doesn't make it holy scripture until the end of time. We've had 27 amendments to the Constitution! That doesn't mean we foresake our Constitutional principles, but things change. Back when George Washington was alive, we didn't even have the issue of health care.

[toasty]

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to say that there is a continuum between all out capitalism and all out socialism is a scary statement. Quotes like that during the war could have put you in jail.

What? Speaking of scary statements, a statement like this is the sort of thing that will undercut the credibility of every other thing you ever say anywhere, at any time, forever.

Of course there's a continuum between capitalism and socialism. Of course there is. That's obvious. Every country on the planet uses its own blend of these systems and falls somewhere on that spectrum, with some services provided by the government, and others provided by the free market. This shouldn't even need to be discussed.

[runningman]

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It is the truth. Communists were put in jail. Stop living in your little bubble guys

What is surprising to me is that you Liberals are so easy to right off capitalism and run to a more socialist movement. That discredits you and makes you sound IMO Anti-American.

[Miroslav]

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It is the truth. Communists were put in jail. Stop living in your little bubble guys

What is surprising to me is that you Liberals are so easy to right off capitalism and run to a more socialist movement. That discredits you and makes you sound IMO Anti-American.

We all know that "Communists" were put in jail in the past. It was a totally retarded policy administered by self-righteous idiots. We shouldn't do it again.

And who who gave you the authority to define what is "American" and what is not? You're sounding like a backwoods one-tooth redneck from West Virginia.

I see that the whole point about how none of us in the US have ever lived in anything even close to a "pure" capitalist society went completely over your head. sigh...oh well.

[runningman]

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oh I get it. anybody who is pro free market pro american values is an uneducated toothless hick. ah now I see your bi partisan view. you see being prejudice like that for sure won't fix the problem..

ps I didn't mean "jail" as a threat at all I was just pointing out what happened in the past..

[speciale]

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regardless of what all of the arguments here are, I have never seen our country so divided.

[mamun]

Re: Left Wing Liberal Extremists Could Cause Civil War

I am neither Conserv or Lib as you all know I was very harsh on Bush but the Obama media is on the verge of starting a civil war between the parties.

[Miroslav]

Re: Left Wing Liberal Extremists Could Cause Civil War

oh I get it. anybody who is pro free market pro american values is an uneducated toothless hick. ah now I see your bi partisan view. you see being prejudice like that for sure won't fix the problem..

ps I didn't mean "jail" as a threat at all I was just pointing out what happened in the past..

It's amusing that you're a Canuck who is suddenly knows way more about "American values" than those of us who actually are Americans and live in the USA. Do you realize that you live in a way more "Socialistic" country than I do? Your health care is already nationalized, you Commie!

And by the way, the toothless hicks are the ones who are so short sighted and arrogant that they think only their version of "American values" are the REAL American values and the rest of us are somehow "un-American".

Stop seeing everything in black and white; it's an inaccurate lens with which to view the world. You should know by now that most everything in life consists of shades of gray. Life is a spectrum of values, and there are many degrees of opinion to be had on almost everything.

It's not that you're either "pro free market" or "pro communism". You can be for the free market as an economic basis, but also be in favor of some degree of regulation and intervention (again, anti-trust laws, FDIC, the SEC, etc.) and favor certain social programs as part of the societal infrastructure (unemployment insurance, roads & highways, military, tuition aid, etc.). That does not in and of itself make you a Communist, for heaven's sake.

regardless of what all of the arguments here are, I have never seen our country so divided.

Did you miss the last eight years?

[speciale]

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Actually, the radical liberals only were divided the last 8 years. It is far worse today. A lot worse.

its the weekend. Eff the news and politics for 2 days and enjoy the beautiful weather.
Seriously. life is too short game back on monday

[Miroslav]

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Actually, the radical liberals only were divided the last 8 years. It is far worse today. A lot worse.

We may have a very different definition of "the radical liberals"... seeing as for the last eight years we had Bush's Republican administration leading the country off in one direction while the rest of the country vehemently opposed it. But I guess you can say that the rest of the nation ended up "unified" against the administration, seeing as Bush ended up with a final approval rating in the low 20s - one of the worst ever, if not the worst ever for a US president.

[speciale]

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We may have a very different definition of "the radical liberals"... seeing as for the last eight years we had Bush's Republican administration leading the country off in one direction while the rest of the country vehemently opposed it. But I guess you can say that the rest of the nation ended up "unified" against the administration, seeing as Bush ended up with a final approval rating in the low 20s - one of the worst ever, if not the worst ever for a US president.

yet he was also the highest rated president too ( in terms of approval rating) . pretty trippy, huh?

[Miroslav]

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yet he was also the highest rated president too ( in terms of approval rating) . pretty trippy, huh?

yeah for like one month out of eight years... and he needed a major terrorist attack to make that happen.

[runningman]

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and Obama needed the economy to collapse. equals an economic 9/11

[Miroslav]

Re: Left Wing Liberal Extremists Could Cause Civil War

and Obama needed the economy to collapse. equals an economic 9/11

Fair enough. The true test will be in what happens to Obama's support 1 year, 2 years, 4 years from now - and his legacy thereafter. We have the benefit of speaking in hindsight about what a douche Bush was.