What is your solution to the Middle East??

[runningman]

I have heard everybody now saying this and saying that but i want to hear everybody's exact stance on:

1. Where do you stand on the war on Iraq?
2. Where do you stand on the war on terror?
3. What is your plan to prevent another 9-11?
4. Do you think that the war will end after (if) Iran?

Just so we are all on the same pg from now on..

I completely support the war on Iraq.. Having a dictator who gases his own country can't be trusted and is not helping the overall goal of world peace.. In order for world peace he had to be removed at some time..
I support the USA in whatever they see fit.. I am completly behind George Bush and i feel he is the right leader in these times of war.. You need a tough Texan in a war like this.. Plus they have a little thing called the CIA and The base in the mountain in colorado what's it called.. you get it.. there information i can guarantee you is better then ours..
My plan is the plan of George Bush
1. To remove Saddam out of power and gain an allie(homebase) in the middle of the middle east.. Now they can attack anywhere at anytime..
2. To go into Iran and clean out the extremists there trying to get there hands on nuclear weapons. Also in this time have Canada come on board (Our PM meets Bush Nov. 30) in this war to help foreign relations.
3. Let France get taken over by the muslims because France is a waste of space anyway and it won't affect my life at all. They would still be under the Nazi's if it wasn't for us- so this time let them go.
4. Let Russia fuck some shit up in Chechnya to take the heat off the USA.
5. Have CHina and Russia help in the fight against North Korea.
^^^ these are the ways to prevent another attack..

and no the war won't end after Iran gets dealt with.

PS- Please keep all replies at first only on "your stance" on everything then we will argue about it later.. I have been asking for weeks what peoples plan was to fix this so i want to hear it now..

[mixu]

[Yao]

I'll post mine as soon as I am fit to do some hard thinking again...been drinking and working in between the drinking all weekend long and no sleep. My last post was long enough...

Get ready for some bashing over points 2 and 3.

[Jenks]

The solution = the USA and China creating a pact and splitting the rest of the world up between the two of them.

[Marimba]

difficult questions indeed.....hard to answer....i have to seat, have a beer, smoke a joint.....
but what you are saying runningman is the easiest solution. violence is not the solution. to prevent another attack we must think in long term solutions, not to destroy any country that is different.
If the United States keep destroying muslims families, you are only creating more hate.

[thesightless]

if you have a roach problem, you dont kill each roach as you see it, you go after the nest.......

not my quote, was my commanders quote, but holds a lot more revelence in these past few years. granted its the BS world policy that keeps dropping the crumbs that feed the roaches.

[runningman]

please guys just say where u stand.. .we will argue about it later..

[thesightless]

Re: What is your solution to the Middle East??

as bad as it sounds i am starting to realize we cant just be reactive to these things, just look what happened today

a sunni cleric who was going to help barter a peace deal between the warring factions of the iraqi tribes was killed in his home. maybe we need to root out these people who are now simply trying to prevent peace.

in terms of IRAN, i think they should just let a large UN inspection force into the country, i mean soon, like tomorrow, just open up to what you have, and if the whole nuclear issue with them is truly based on power and infrastructure needs, they should simply ask to be allowed to do it, and offer up the willingness to be overseen, and i dont mean by the the USA, i would send in the multinational committee to be there for a few years and monitor the nuclear power plants. if you have nothing to hide , then allow someone to review it.

[mixu]

OK, let's have a bash at this...

There is no simple solution to the Middle East ? if there was it would have been done.

Firstly, the establishment of a Palestinian state would go a long towards helping things. How this is done though is anyone's guess :?

I never agreed with the war in Iraq ? certainly not the reasons for going to war ? but as it's happened the US needs to see it through.

Saddam was a bad guy but wasn't a threat to world peace and the gassing of his own people went on when he was a 'friend' of the West. And what about North Korea, Zimbabwe, Burma and the other repressive regimes?

Amnesty International, which criticized and drew attention to the brutality of the Saddam Hussein regime long before the governments which launched the 2003 attack on Iraq, estimated that violent deaths attributable to Saddam's government numbered at most in the hundreds during the years immediately leading up to 2003.

https://www.iraqbodycount.net/press

Iran is an entirely different question to Iraq ? and you have to understand their feelings towards the US... Admittedly, the ruling clerics have stirred this up but in 2000 Madeleine Albright admitted US mistakes in their relationship ? I won't go into all of it. Not that this excuses what appears to be deceitful behaviour, but aggression at this stage would be unjust.

The US relationship with Saudi Arabia needs to be examined ? one of the most repressive regimes in the Middle East is a close ally? And most of the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi... :?

It's simply too big a question ? there are a lot of relationships that badly need repairing. More wars and invasions will simply stir up more hatred, death and destruction.


As for your pathetic comments about France, well it just shows what an asshole you are. Seeing as you like to see the world in simplistic black-and-white terms, France helped the US gain independence from Britain, the US returned the favour during WWII. Have you ever even been to France?

And do you even know shit about Chechnya?

[thesightless]

If the United States keep destroying muslims families, you are only creating more hate.

sorry but you gotta ignore the religion. we are going after VIOLENT HOTILE PEOPLE, who happen to be muslim. if we were killing muslims, why arent we doing it here as well.

As for your pathetic comments about France, well it just shows what an asshole you are. Seeing as you like to see the world in simplistic black-and-white terms, France helped the US gain independence from Britain, the US returned the favour during WWII. Have you ever even been to France?

fuck france. ungrateful, what will happen if they get attacked severly? they will head over to the UN begging for help. that place is a fucking waste.

[mixu]

As for your pathetic comments about France, well it just shows what an asshole you are. Seeing as you like to see the world in simplistic black-and-white terms, France helped the US gain independence from Britain, the US returned the favour during WWII. Have you ever even been to France?

fuck france. ungrateful, what will happen if they get attacked severly? they will head over to the UN begging for help. that place is a fucking waste.

If you don't agree with the French government then fine but don't single out the people... and what good did it do them anyway? There are other countries worth wasting your time over :?

[thesightless]

Re: What is your solution to the Middle East??

i said it in the same jest that the south park boys said fuck canada
personally, i couldnt give a flying fuck about france. i dont care either way, not saying i wouldnt feel terrible if something happened to innocents.

[runningman]

Mixu you never answered #3.. actually you didn't answer any of them.. as for France that is your opinion.. myself i don't care for France that much because you can't trust them.. If i could cut off Quebec i would.. so would most of canada.. as for Chechnya i know some but i would def. like to learn more.. i wish i didn't feel this way but i strongly am starting to lose faith in the world.. I want to hear what Davetly, Civic Zen, robpr. and Yao have to say.. I like all different cultures taling about this so i can maybe see it from a different point of view.. but mixu you don't have a plan and i don't trust that becaue Osama has a plan and if we don't we lose..

[mixu]

And yours IS a plan?

There's no quick fix...

[davetlv]

Re: What is your solution to the Middle East??

OK runningman, you want my opinions. . . .

1. Yes i supported the war with Iraq, i also walked around for a week with a gas masks in fear of a direct attack by Saddam, but thats another story!

I supported the war for a number of reasons, listed here in no particular order:-
a. Saddam was the largest benefactor of Palestinian homicide bombers who saw their sole purpose on this planet as blowing themselves up on buses, in cafes, in discos full of Israelis. Although a finiancial value can't really be put on a life hard currency goes a long way in the areas controled by the PA,

b. It was clear, and still is, that Saddam had developed a programme of WMD's. His own actions in not allowing UN weapon inspectors to continue their job and seek out these tools of death warrented military action by themselves, as it was a breach of the agreement that ended Gulf War 1.

c. Saddam's regime was far more brutal then many of us want to admit. The stories of torture, rape and murder convinced me that the Middle East specifically, and the world generally, would be a better place with him removed.

2. Yes i support the war on terror, but my support did not start with 9/11. When i lived in the UK i supported successive government actions against the IRA, since i've been living in Israel i've supported successive government actions against Hamas etc.

Lets remember that many countries face terrorism, some internal and some external. For me terrorism is partly about trying to overthrow democratic govermnents by undemocratic means. That said i also believe in the old addage that one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. What diffrentiates between the two is when 'terrrorist' actions are targetted on civilians and not govenment or military targets. You stop, in my opinion, from being a freedom fighter the moment you target civillians.

3. As horrific and disgusting 9/11 was, i class every terrorist action in the same way. For me there is no difference whether one person of 5000 people are murdered, Terrorism is terrorism. New York, Madrid, Moscow, Bali, Tel Aviv, London. . . .the list of places that have suffered at the hands of terrorist over the last 40 years is growing annually.

I don't have a solution to prevent more attacks, certainly not one which is achievable in the short term. If you want to look at long term solutions then we need to ensure that every person on this planet not only has enough food to eat but also has an education . That might be good starting place.

4. I've talked about IRan before in another thread, i'm not going to repeat myself!

Just some thoughts!