The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

[serghe]

Re: The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

Well, I'm sorry but... every group of people always has their own agenda in things around the world - that's politics! When Obama was running for office, many Iranians no doubt had their own agenda behind their interest in the outcome, too - as did all the rest of the world. So I'm afraid you just may have to get used to it...

Me as an Iranian could care less who was in charge in America. I do invite for a free Iran to be friends with America and encourage trade, but I do like the fact Obama just wants to be friends with anyone in charge of Iran just because no other US president has in the past since 1979.

Quit thinking and looking things, especially ones that honestly do not involve you, in the point of view as an American. This is part of the reason Necons have gotten in power and their ideals are actually still preserved.

[toasty]

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Quit thinking and looking things, especially ones that honestly do not involve you, in the point of view as an American. This is part of the reason Necons have gotten in power and their ideals are actually still preserved.

There is a difference between caring about things and acting on things. While the neocons should be faulted for thinking that we should become more actively involved in what is going on in Iran right now, we live in an increasingly small world and Americans SHOULD think, look and care about things that happen in Iran (and anywhere else in the world, for that matter), and vice versa. We no longer live in a world with isolationism is realistic, and a better understanding of what is going on in the world can only lead to good things.

Here's the broader point, though -- I'd be pulling for any group of oppressed people struggling for their rights, wherever they are, and shouldn't be faulted if it happens that it is going on in a country where regime change is likely to benefit US interests. That an event happens to make me happy from both a humanitarian and self-interested standpoint doesn't change the fact that the humanitarian component is in there. You want Americans to stop caring about what happens in Iran? Not gonna happen, so you'll just have to get over the fact that we're rooting for you. Deal with it.

As a final aside, the neocons have had their asses absolutely handed to them in the last two elections, and they now constitute a minority segment of a minority party. They don't seem to realize it which is why they still bark as loudly as ever, much to the chagrin of the moderates in their party, but don't confuse neocon bluster for the sentiments of the public at large.

[Miroslav]

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Me as an Iranian could care less who was in charge in America.

Ok then.

...but I do like the fact Obama just wants to be friends with anyone in charge of Iran just because no other US president has in the past since 1979.

FAIL.

You just proved Toasty's point. We live in the 21st century, and the world is heavily interconnected and interdependent now; what happens in one corner of the world can dramatically affect other corners of the world - so as an Iranian, you SHOULD care (and apparently, you actually do). And people of different nationalities are going to keep caring.

Quit thinking and looking things, especially ones that honestly do not involve you, in the point of view as an American. This is part of the reason Necons have gotten in power and their ideals are actually still preserved.

Ok I will, just as soon as you quit thinking and looking at things in the point of view as an Iranian. And don't form any opinion on our neocon ideals and their preservation - you're not American!!!!

I swear...you have the same level of openness to debate as Khameini. It's rather ironic.

[runningman]

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Apparently 30,000 twitter accounts were created on June 13th, 2009 from Iran. Each has a high number of tweets and they were in English and half of the accounts had the same picture on the account.

The Jerusalem post had a story made hours after all the accounts were created. It is being discussed that they are Mossad (or Right Wing jewish groups) twitter accounts to get American young people more energized to attack Iran.

http://aleppous.com/international/2009/06/24/the-us-regime-change-recipe-for-iran/

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/

Check out this Propaganda

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/24/security-forces-beat-people-like-animals/

Beating Women
Beating Old Men
"You Should Help Us!"
"Help the People of Iran"
"Genocide. Hitler."
"Time to Act."

She probably is Jewish calling from Tel Aviv


Sounds like the US will be liberators again add that to the list of comparisons between Iraw and Iran.

[toasty]

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Apparently 30,000 twitter accounts were created on June 13th, 2009. Each has a high number of tweets and they were in English and half of the accounts had the same picture on the account.

The Jerusalem post had a story made hours after all the accounts were created. It is being discussed that they are Mossad (or Right Wing jewish groups) twitter accounts to get American young people more energized to attack Iran.

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/

Check out this Propaganda

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/24/security-forces-beat-people-like-animals/

Sounds Jewish to me.

#sweetfancymoses

Dude, June 13, 2009 was the day after the election at which point, per my understanding, traditional means of communications were unreliable at best, and the fact that twitter was still getting through was becoming well-known. Makes perfect sense to me that if the only way people could communicate was through twitter, there might be an enormous spike in twitter demand.

Many of the tweets were in English because they were directed to the English speaking world, and most of them used the same image because earlier on, there was one image in particular that was representative of the protest movement.

The rest of the article ascribes sinister undertones to the very qualities of twitter that make it useful. Everyone was using the same hashtag? The horror! Friends were following each other?!?!?!? CONSPIRACY!!

Neither the author of this article or, apparently, you appear to have any idea how twitter is used. It hurts sometimes.

Again, #sweetfancymoses

[runningman]

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I know Toasty it is hard to accept that you are being played like a fiddle but if this escalates enough that the military goes in then you will know that this was planned. your understanding is skewed because the only info you can go to is the US media. I'm not saying every twitter is Mossad but a lot are. The Israelies are banging the war drums really hard to attack Iran. They didn't want Obama elected and now they are doing everything they can to persuade the US public to put pressure on Obama to invade or bomb. Also didn't you read my article that stated that Bush funded the CIA to give the Iranian people internet access even if the Iranian gov't tries to block it? This is a setup.

Ask yourself who benefits?
Why is there so much press in the US on Iran when a thousand protestors get together?
Why do we never hear from pro Ahmadinejad people?

It still is possible that he did win the elections.

You would think millions would be protesting not thousands if the elections were rigged that bad.

I can't find sweetfancymoses on twitter

[Miroslav]

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^^ maybe you should try it with the # in front of it.

A bunch of Twitter posts are not going to make the US declare war on Iran. I think the US is unlikely to invade Iran unless seriously provoked.

[toasty]

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I can't find sweetfancymoses on twitter

Well, I don't know that tweets stay out there for perpetuity, so that doesn't really surprise me, but I find the hashtag convenient when what I'd really like to say is, "Jesus Harold Christ in a chicken basket, this is the most brain-bendingly idiotic thing I've ever read, so much so that I've actually just lost some faith in the intelligence of the human race as a whole," but I can't because I'm limited to 140 characters. Perhaps if this thread continues, I'll have occasion to use it again soon.

...but if this escalates enough that the military goes in then you will know that this was planned.

First of all, no. False syllogism.

your understanding is skewed because the only info you can go to is the US media.

With all due respect to Canada, it would stun me to learn that you have access to media there that we do not. I read the same shit you do, although the big difference, as I see it, is that I actually read those articles rather than looking at a headline or a sentence or two and extrapolating wildly from that.

The Israelies are banging the war drums really hard to attack Iran. They didn't want Obama elected and now they are doing everything they can to persuade the US public to put pressure on Obama to invade or bomb. Also didn't you read my article that stated that Bush funded the CIA to give the Iranian people internet access even if the Iranian gov't tries to block it? This is a setup.

It stuns me that you or anyone for that matter would look at the events of the last week and conclude that it makes it more likely that we'll go bomb Iran. If anything, it diminished support for just going in and bombing, because the faceless evil empire "Iran" has been replaced by "the Iranian people," for whom there is near universal, bi-partisan support in this country. Can you imagine the backlash if we were to go in there and start blowing shit up right now?

Not even the neocons are suggesting doing that. If in fact there was some sort of Israeli conspiracy, the strategy did not work, far as I can tell.

#sweetfancymoses

[serghe]

Re: The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

Apparently 30,000 twitter accounts were created on June 13th, 2009 from Iran. Each has a high number of tweets and they were in English and half of the accounts had the same picture on the account.

The Jerusalem post had a story made hours after all the accounts were created. It is being discussed that they are Mossad (or Right Wing jewish groups) twitter accounts to get American young people more energized to attack Iran.

http://aleppous.com/international/2009/06/24/the-us-regime-change-recipe-for-iran/

http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/

Check out this Propaganda

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/06/24/security-forces-beat-people-like-animals/

Beating Women
Beating Old Men
"You Should Help Us!"
"Help the People of Iran"
"Genocide. Hitler."
"Time to Act."

She probably is Jewish calling from Tel Aviv


Sounds like the US will be liberators again add that to the list of comparisons between Iraw and Iran.

lol. Islamic Republic is hiring go here www.ir.ir/cvdropbox

[serghe]

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Okay, sorry for being a bit harsh. I am just a bit frustrated right now, that is all. But you do have to realise I just a bitsick and tired of hearing about what Obama is going to do next and what not. While people are dieing and IR has blamed about 80 different things and people are looking at what the west will do. I just believe it is up to the Iranian peopel to decide their own fate and it always has been. McCain wanted to bomb Iran 2 weeks ago, now he is supporting the people. Obama wanted to befriend this regime 2 months ago, now he is deeply disturbed. I do not trust any of these people. And I want them to fuck off. The way non Iranians could help is just bringing awareness of the human rights violations that have been going in Iran for the last 30 years. You will then realise what the fight is against. It is not about some election. It just sparked this.

[runningman]

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Well, I don't know that tweets stay out there for perpetuity, so that doesn't really surprise me, but I find the hashtag convenient when what I'd really like to say is, "Jesus Harold Christ in a chicken basket, this is the most brain-bendingly idiotic thing I've ever read, so much so that I've actually just lost some faith in the intelligence of the human race as a whole," but I can't because I'm limited to 140 characters. Perhaps if this thread continues, I'll have occasion to use it again soon.



First of all, no. False syllogism.



With all due respect to Canada, it would stun me to learn that you have access to media there that we do not. I read the same shit you do, although the big difference, as I see it, is that I actually read those articles rather than looking at a headline or a sentence or two and extrapolating wildly from that.



It stuns me that you or anyone for that matter would look at the events of the last week and conclude that it makes it more likely that we'll go bomb Iran. If anything, it diminished support for just going in and bombing, because the faceless evil empire "Iran" has been replaced by "the Iranian people," for whom there is near universal, bi-partisan support in this country. Can you imagine the backlash if we were to go in there and start blowing shit up right now?

Not even the neocons are suggesting doing that. If in fact there was some sort of Israeli conspiracy, the strategy did not work, far as I can tell.

#sweetfancymoses

Toasty you and I just have different beliefs thats all. You believe everything in the US news and I don't. You could go to your bank and find out you can't take your money out and you would still believe whatever the gov't told you.
Also if this strategy didn't work doesn't count out the fact that the military is still an option.

That Raw story video from CNN I mean come on that is 100% fake. Horrible acting. If you don't look at the screen from the anchors sad faces and quiet talk it reminds me of Mustaffa in Austin Powers--

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRHj3tyYyo[/YOUTUBE]

[Yao]

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Okay, sorry for being a bit harsh. I am just a bit frustrated right now, that is all. But you do have to realise I just a bitsick and tired of hearing about what Obama is going to do next and what not. While people are dieing and IR has blamed about 80 different things and people are looking at what the west will do. I just believe it is up to the Iranian peopel to decide their own fate and it always has been. McCain wanted to bomb Iran 2 weeks ago, now he is supporting the people. Obama wanted to befriend this regime 2 months ago, now he is deeply disturbed. I do not trust any of these people. And I want them to fuck off. The way non Iranians could help is just bringing awareness of the human rights violations that have been going in Iran for the last 30 years. You will then realise what the fight is against. It is not about some election. It just sparked this.

Is it okay if we bring you guns and grenades then?

[serghe]

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Is it okay if we bring you guns and grenades then?

Who is we?

[Yao]

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Western people that want you to gain your freedom.

Just kidding about the guns, but I think you get my point: I'm all about diplomacy, but sometimes there's just a moment when talking or peaceful protest won't get you anywhere. You see, for Ama to resign under the pressure of the people there should be reason in him, something that makes it possible for him to consider or reflect on arguments from a 3rd party (the people in this case). Khamenei, Ama and the whole clique of hardliners can do neither; handing over power to someone that is not on their bandwagen is equal to betraying everything they stand for, and as such not an option.

So, they'll have to be forced out of their position of power. By you.

[Miroslav]

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I'm afraid that not much will come of this "revolution" anytime soon. The regime has the support of the military, and they will ultimately apply overwhelming force to crush the dissidents. And other nations are highly unlikely to intervene. Things will go back to the way they were, unfortunately.