for those who say ALL iraqis don't want us there...

[toasty]

Like I said...don't look too far into it. I'm not trying to break some new news story, nor am I trying to present anyone with information they don't already know. I found some cool pictures of people showing there support for our actions there, THAT'S IT.

Well, since you responded and even gave me the little eye roll, I'll elaborate. I guess the thing that I find interesting/comical/pathetic is the way that so many people on the right are looking so fervently for something, anything, that will help them justify Bush's bumbling antics in Iraq. Someone in another thread posted a link to a slideshow that showed purported vials of sarin nerve gas found in Iraq, and was decidedly triumphant in tone in doing so -- as if he was elated to find WMDs in Iraq in a, "see, I told you so" sort of way. Of course, with sarin's shelf-life, this stuff, if it was sarin at all, was either created after Saddam was deposed or too old to be effective.

I don't know what your thoughts are on the matter, but the only positive thing I see about us finding sarin nerve gas in Iraq is that we found it before it was used on anyone, regardless of where it came from.

Now your post was obviously more upbeat and presented far better news. I just thought it was demonstrative of the right's tendency to cling like grim death to any news consistent with Bush's absurd take on the world, whether good or bad, as if it obscures the fact that we very clearly went into Iraq under false pretenses.

With all that said, I agree that these are great images.

How did I know you would be in on this discussion before too long.

I dunno. Because it's a discussion board?

[thesightless]

Re: for those who say ALL iraqis don't want us there...

NOT many people like it when they are invaded. however, in 20 years when they control thier own lives and directions, they very well might, most the world does.

[Yao]

I gotta admit, I'm not gonna swing around and suddenly turn in favour of the war, but it's nice to see these pictures while all the media feed us horrible images and stories and nothing else...

It shows another part of the story indeed, although I never thought that all Iraqi's were against the US invading/liberating their country. The media may want to make the world look black and white, but that's far off the truth. I realise that most of Europe being against the war, the media wish to paint a picture as grim as possible.

And yes, there were European countries supporting the war, but that was the government. Out on the streets virtually nobody supported it, that is one thing that has become clear to me.

Thnx for the pics though.

[fishingnut]

Like I said...don't look too far into it. I'm not trying to break some new news story, nor am I trying to present anyone with information they don't already know. I found some cool pictures of people showing there support for our actions there, THAT'S IT.

Well, since you responded and even gave me the little eye roll, I'll elaborate. I guess the thing that I find interesting/comical/pathetic is the way that so many people on the right are looking so fervently for something, anything, that will help them justify Bush's bumbling antics in Iraq. Someone in another thread posted a link to a slideshow that showed purported vials of sarin nerve gas found in Iraq, and was decidedly triumphant in tone in doing so -- as if he was elated to find WMDs in Iraq in a, "see, I told you so" sort of way. Of course, with sarin's shelf-life, this stuff, if it was sarin at all, was either created after Saddam was deposed or too old to be effective.

doesn't the left do the exact same thing and look for every possible reason why the war is wrong.

[Yao]

Of course, but the left doesn't have to make an effort to find reasons or proof for it...

[fishingnut]

it's easy to criticize and play monday morning quarterback when shit goes wrong, giving reasonable answers to the problem would be better off.

[Yao]

Read my other posts.

[toasty]

it's easy to criticize and play monday morning quarterback when shit goes wrong, giving reasonable answers to the problem would be better off.

I think there is a difference between second-guessing judgment calls, which I think fall into the "monday morning quarterbacking" category, and being critical because it is apparent that the information on which we based our decision to go to war was dead wrong.

I'd love to hear some reasonable answers out of someone -- particularly out of those that got us into this mess to begin with. Let's face it, though -- if anyone had any legitimate solutions to the Iraq problem, they would have advanced them by now. If you've got an idea that will actually work, then I support your appointment to the head of the defense department.

I DO have an idea for reforming the intelligence community to insure that we are working on correct information going forward. We could have everyone that disagreed with the president terminated, and replace them with more "yes men." That's sure to encourage thoughtful debate and scrutiny, right?

[neoee]

Don't look to far into it man. The title of the thread says "those who think ALL iraqis.." Of couse there are those that don't, but some would have us believe that the entire population cannot wait for us to leave or will die to drive us out as invaders. That obvioulsly isn't true. That's my point, that's all.

Maybe I did read into it too much. I didn't read the topic heading as thoroughly as you would have like me to.

Why don't you show us some of these video's and pictures your referring too, and not of terrorists and other soldiers who are fighting us. I'm talking about civilians maybe holding sign's similar to these. Surely if you wish for us to see what your talking about, posting pictures in this manner to back up your statement is the only plausable action.

Really I don't see how this proves anything (especially the % of people who want us there vs don't) but here ya go:







I don't think these people need to hold up signs to get their message across either.

[evangelion]

Like I said...don't look too far into it. I'm not trying to break some new news story, nor am I trying to present anyone with information they don't already know. I found some cool pictures of people showing there support for our actions there, THAT'S IT.

Well, since you responded and even gave me the little eye roll, I'll elaborate. I guess the thing that I find interesting/comical/pathetic is the way that so many people on the right are looking so fervently for something, anything, that will help them justify Bush's bumbling antics in Iraq. Someone in another thread posted a link to a slideshow that showed purported vials of sarin nerve gas found in Iraq, and was decidedly triumphant in tone in doing so -- as if he was elated to find WMDs in Iraq in a, "see, I told you so" sort of way. Of course, with sarin's shelf-life, this stuff, if it was sarin at all, was either created after Saddam was deposed or too old to be effective.

I don't know what your thoughts are on the matter, but the only positive thing I see about us finding sarin nerve gas in Iraq is that we found it before it was used on anyone, regardless of where it came from.

Now your post was obviously more upbeat and presented far better news. I just thought it was demonstrative of the right's tendency to cling like grim death to any news consistent with Bush's absurd take on the world, whether good or bad, as if it obscures the fact that we very clearly went into Iraq under false pretenses.

With all that said, I agree that these are great images.

Ok, for the third and hopefully last time: don't read so far into it. Get it this time? You kill me how you can turn anything and everything in a right/left issue. Some people think all Iraqis want us to leave and don't want our help. I posted pictues of happy, grateful Iraqis. Where is the right/left issue? You just can't help it can you? And please tell me how I "cling like grim death" by showing people that are happy to live some semblence of a normal life. If you read some right-wing justification messege into this that is all you.

Obscuring??? Please tell me just what it is that I'm obscuring?

How did I know you would be in on this discussion before too long.

I dunno. Because it's a discussion board?

Just because you find it so "interesting/comical/pathetic" doesn't mean you have to respond to it. Really, you don't. Your "AND?" comment was completley unneccesary, but I realize you can't help but bring your "taste of the left" into every other conversation. So why not this one?

With all due respect, of course.

[Yao]

Easy guyz...now we've seen there's two sides to the story, that's all. Some Iraqi's like the Americans/coalition forces, and some don't.

The only comment I can think of with the pics neoee posted is that from a pic it is impossible to confirm who the killer was: it could eiher have been an American/coalition soldier, or an Iraqi insurgent. Unfortunately there's not a killer I know that stands around by his victim waiting for a photo to be taken and saying: "We'll, this guy doesn't look too happy about my presence here!!".

But that's just bitching on details I guess.

[Civic_Zen]

Really I don't see how this proves anything (especially the % of people who want us there vs don't) but here ya go:

I don't think these people need to hold up signs to get their message across either.

Is that the best you can do?? Showing pics of people who could have been wounded anywhere in the middle east, by anyone, and most likely by terrorist bombings or the like. Nowhere does a single picture show anything that could tie it to Iraq, much less the American military.

[evangelion]

Really I don't see how this proves anything (especially the % of people who want us there vs don't) but here ya go:

I don't think these people need to hold up signs to get their message across either.

Is that the best you can do?? Showing pics of people who could have been wounded anywhere in the middle east, by anyone, and most likely by terrorist bombings or the like. Nowhere does a single picture show anything that could tie it to Iraq, much less the American military.

I was thinking the same thing. Does anyone think that insurgents aren't killing or harming innocents and blaming it on the US? These pictures could be from anywhere in the Middle East that there is fighting going on. And that's just about everywhere right???

Nice try.

[runningman]

the terrorists are the ones doing all this because of there stupid car bombs.. I hope that in the near future the Iraqi people will help turn these people in so we don't have to see anything like this ever again in Iraq.. Hell if we can turn Yao into being in favor of the war maybe we can convince these people that we are not the enemy.. I can't wait to see in 5-7 years when that place turns itself around.. somehow they will probably fuck it up though in civil war because kurds vs. shiite.. Then there will be another dispute going back to religion. But i hope for the best for these people.. If this doesn't work then i guess we will just have to NUKE IT!!

[Yao]

Hell if we can turn Yao into being in favor of the war maybe we can convince these people that we are not the enemy..

ehm...Bwahahahahaaaaaaa!!!

Sorry man, not on my lifetime...but feel free to give it a try! And remember, I'm supposed to be a bit more rational than those Iraqi's, so if you fail...unpack your nukes.